Premium fuel really needed?
#181
Lexus Champion
The LC/Tundra/LX engines are literally identical, down to every spec.
#182
Sigh.... You need the premium fuel to unlock those extra 2 horsepower.....
#183
Lexus Champion
Lol, 381 is enough.
I think that's all it really boils down to, honestly. If you put premium in a Tundra then you'd have 383.
Hate to sound so cheap but premium is like 60-80 cents more....that times 25 gallons.....would add up over time.
#184
You can look at this thread. It was discussed many times here and also on ih8mud.com
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/lx-...m-premium.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/lx-...m-premium.html
#185
Lexus Champion
You can look at this thread. It was discussed many times here and also on ih8mud.com
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/lx-...m-premium.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/lx-...m-premium.html
If you filled up every week I'd say you'd save 60-70 bucks a month. That would knock out one of my utilities at my house.
I'm not cheap but I refuse to waste money, regardless of what it is.
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ClaytonW (08-08-19)
#186
Intermediate
Personally the difference (in terms of cost) b/w Reg vs Prem gas is about 30cents a gallon, I never wait till the very last before filling up (better fore the fuel pump), so each time I fill about 16 gallons or so...with a diff of 30cents b/w Reg and Prem fuel, that's about $5 diff each time. I fill up about 2x each week, so 8x / month on average, so $40 extra per month...$500 or so annually. It's my daily driving vehicle.. looks pretty bad when driving next to an electric car or a hybrid... but I knew before I pull the trigger to buy this car, its gas mileage isn't going to be great, if I want to save of gas I would no have bought this LX. For me a savings of $500 annually isn't that big of a concern, there are so many other ways to cut down to fund my LX.
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REDHORSE (08-09-19)
#188
Pole Position
IF you really believe that, make sure when you do the routine transfer case oil change to use ONLY Toyota 75W oil...~ $80/l, and you'll need two bottles.
I'd also ask if you seriously trust "lifetime" transmission fluid.
You're driving the cushy version of the Land Cruiser...it requires 89 octane. Both engines are made at the SAME plant in Japan, with the same 100% Japanese parts content. OT, but not the same as 5.7's for the Tundra and Sequoia, which may be assembled in the US and no guarantee of 100% Japanese parts.. The LX uses the same knock sensors as the Cruiser. HP differences between the two are within the normal dynamometer testing tolerances.
To change the focus a bit...I'd worry more about fuel system damage from ethanol than I would about 2 octane points. Our Land Cruiser uses either 89 or 91 octane ethanol-free fuel. Fuel cap shows the international "NO" symbol for E85.
If you're worried about voiding the warranty, read up on the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
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ClaytonW (08-08-19)
#189
Instructor
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I would agree with the OP if Toyota wasn't so conservative with their tunes. Heck, if the LX tune is as conservative as the ISF's, it's definitely not good to run lower octane fuels. Even with 93 the isf tune retards timing noticeably. This is why many isf drivers use higher octane fuels or increase the mixture of ethanol. I like to run my engines at peak performance. MPG and saving a few dollars at the pump comes second in my view.
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Danjet96 (10-02-19)
#190
Driver School Candidate
What I want to know is where everyone lives that you can find 89 octane gas without any ethanol. Here in Michigan, everything, including most 91 octane gas, has 10% ethanol. You can get 91 ethanol free at some stations, but not all. I know most modern engines that are not flex-fuel, are tuned to run on up to 15% ethanol. I can tell you from checking my mileage the old fashioned way (miles driven/gal filled), driving on the same routes, filling up at the same station and pump, over six tanks of gas, that when I go from 91 no ethanol to 89 10% ethanol, I get 2 mpg more on the non ethanol gas. I would love to try this with 89 no ethanol to see if it is the 10% that is effecting my mileage.
#191
Instructor
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What I want to know is where everyone lives that you can find 89 octane gas without any ethanol. Here in Michigan, everything, including most 91 octane gas, has 10% ethanol. You can get 91 ethanol free at some stations, but not all. I know most modern engines that are not flex-fuel, are tuned to run on up to 15% ethanol. I can tell you from checking my mileage the old fashioned way (miles driven/gal filled), driving on the same routes, filling up at the same station and pump, over six tanks of gas, that when I go from 91 no ethanol to 89 10% ethanol, I get 2 mpg more on the non ethanol gas. I would love to try this with 89 no ethanol to see if it is the 10% that is effecting my mileage.
#192
Pole Position
The ethanol is most likely the cause of your lower mpg. The more ethanol you run, the lower the mpg. I haven't ran more ethanol in the lx but in case of the isf you're basically trading better performance for worse mpg when running more ethanol. This is because of the lower energy per volume of ethanol.
#193
This is debated endlessly on the 4 different car forums I follow. Personally, I do what the owner's manual specifies for each of my vehicles. Is it "reqired" who knows? Do what makes you comfortable and be prepared to live with the consequences of either choice you make.
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hankinid (08-09-19)
#194
Driver School Candidate
Sorry if this has been covered before, and I did do a search.
I'm looking for one of these and know the gas mileage is bad.
Its V8 is identical to the Tundra's 5.7 which calls for regular. There are zero differences; the compression ratios are identical.
I don't mind driving a gas guzzler but I really don't want to waste $12-15 bucks a tank on high octane fuel if I don't need to.
Does anyone here run regular? I wonder what the service techs at the dealer would tell me. Or the Toyota dealer.
I'm looking for one of these and know the gas mileage is bad.
Its V8 is identical to the Tundra's 5.7 which calls for regular. There are zero differences; the compression ratios are identical.
I don't mind driving a gas guzzler but I really don't want to waste $12-15 bucks a tank on high octane fuel if I don't need to.
Does anyone here run regular? I wonder what the service techs at the dealer would tell me. Or the Toyota dealer.
So you buy a vehicle thats MSRP at 70000 brand new and that you probably use as a oversized grocery getter. And your concerned about saving 12 bucks at the pump 🤦🏽
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