hankinid

Your neighbor's experience is not atypical.

ggebhardt

Hmmm. Maybe I was dreaming when I read about the problems with Range Rovers.

jzdulexus

Range Rover, being an Indian brand (Tata Motor) for the last eight years, is probably nowadays designed in Indian, manufactured in China and put together in England. The quality seems going downhill---the only thing the car can reliably do

yakim

Actually, the quality has significantly improved as Tata is head-on re: QC. Improved as it is, but not enough to comfortably own one just yet.

malba2366

Ford actually did bring up the quality of JLR products significantly and it appears that Tata is at least maintaining the gains. The only way they can improve quality to match German/Japanese/Ameican makes is to move production out of Britain. The Brits sure know how to finish the interior of a car, but they are also known for shoddy workmanship.

hankinid

I would still accept a Defender without argument. U-tube has a quick video of a 200 series Land Cruiser following a Defender up a very muddy British "road"...the Defender (with iirc a diesel) simply idled through the snot, the Cruiser powered on through but definitely kept up the pace.

I've owned enough British cars and bikes to have experienced a general lack of electrical reliability...once you throw in computer controls repair costs tend to become unbelievable.

yakim

Very, very true. My former LR service advisor used to tell me that the Brits make those cars while drinking Guinness. It was sort of cute the first time, but then the cuteness began to wear out, and 2 years was all I could handle without completely losing my mind.

coolsaber

Does the average RR consumer care their car is highly unreliable historically??? Its probably the third car in their lot, they use to run to the mall with. As long as thats not interrupted (even if it is they dont care) theyre good. Plus a RR turns more heads then a LX.

Reliability, gas mileage at this end of the spectrum is a welcome addition, but more likely then not an after thought for most buyers.

In regards to the OP question, Lexus has never been the pioneer in advancements. But their nameplate has been built on the foundation of reliability. As they say, you cannot have everything in the world, so pick your poison.

lexusrus

X2 ☺😊👍👍

Many other car manufacturers lie about their MPG (For example, Audi recently got caught) . If you actually tested them out, our LX570 actually has surprisingly good mpg for such a big, heavy, and sturdy vehicle.

It's like going into an RV dealership and complaining about mpg on the RV rigs.

jzdulexus

If you go to different RV dealerships and see the different mpgs then you probably take notice of this parameter along with others.

T4Fun

i never liked the styling of the RR but is grown on me. the SVR is a beast. Way over priced though and as many have said unreliable. Why cant lexus make a vehicle that drives and handles like a RR?

hankinid

...because if they did, it would not be an LX?

If you don't leave the pavement, it shouldn't make any difference. Watch any U-tube comparo of an LX or Land Cruiser v. a Range Rover and then decide.

coolsaber

Why invest money into a market which the majority of the user base could care less about? I doubt they want to get burned 3 times with 2 flops in the RC and GS F.

Lexus knows the key to success lay in making vehicles that are ES like, slow, comfy, quiet, and offer Laz-Boy like seating with absolutely zero headache in the reliability department.

Thus far its made them a ton of money, so what motivation would they have to stray from success?

jzdulexus

Success? on LX line? Probably not. If you have been on a recent shopping trip of large SUV it would be pretty disheartening to any LX fan. For example, LX is typically marked down with $5K discount below MSRP while brands like Mercedes GL450/550 are commanding a $3k-5k premium over the MSRP. I know it sounds crazy, but the market, as a collective voice, has spoken in favor of other brands. As a Lexus loyalist I just do not want to see it going the way like an Oldsmobile which became an old folks car...

yakim

What???

GL450 price quotes here start with $5k off before any real negotiations. That would be the day when I see a Mercedes SUV command $3-5K over the sticker.