LX console trim - leather or vinyl?
12-13-16, 03:28 PM
#16
I think the price tag for the LX weighs heavily on the off road features plus luxury. Is the current LS fully leathered? Sometimes, for a utility/luxury vehicle, vinyl or the like may be the better material to use in terms of durability. I am only speculating here. My BMW 750 has much more leather than LX and 3 years older too. As for leather care, I have used Lexol cleaner and conditioner for over 10+ years.
12-13-16, 09:26 PM
#17
Just a follow up.... I chose to overlook the few spots with vinyl. It is a shame that a vehicle which stickers in the 80s - 90s isn't 100% but I guess it is just a sign of the times. Anyone have any good advice on leather conditioner? I used leather in a bottle which is what I always used on my LS however this left my seats shiny as hell. Looked horrible.
Thanks!
Thanks!
12-13-16, 11:43 PM
#18
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Leathernique gets very good feedback on mud.
I use Steubben (sp?) glycerine soap cleaner and their conditioner. Got the recommendation from my wife and 2 very high-end saddle makers.
Autogeek.com has some good info...that said, I'd trust someone who works with the material every day v. someone selling the stuff.
I use Steubben (sp?) glycerine soap cleaner and their conditioner. Got the recommendation from my wife and 2 very high-end saddle makers.
Autogeek.com has some good info...that said, I'd trust someone who works with the material every day v. someone selling the stuff.
12-16-16, 08:33 PM
#19
I mostly use the same products on my leather car interior surfaces that I use on the saddles and bridles for my horses. Just search for leather care products and there are tens of thousands of opinions out there about what products are the best, and almost all of it is anecdotal. In my opinion, based on several decades of caring for both horse tack and for car interiors almost leather care products work reasonably well as long as the leather is regularly cleaned and maintained. The real test is a really dried out leather surface, and there I'm partial to Leatherique products.
Keep in mind that leather is colored or dyed basically in two ways. One is by immersion, where the treatment and pigment goes completely through the thickness of the Leather. That's pretty expensive, and very rare in new mass produced automobiles. Essentially all car leathers are surface dyed, a process similar to putting paint on wood. You can put oil on surface dyed leather seats until it drips off and puddles on the carpet, but it will not penetrate through the leather. Unless it penetrates through cracks and moves laterally, or along stitch lines, and that can cause dark stains in light colored seats. And, since some Lexus leather is perforated, any liquid you use to excess will soak into the padding beneath the leather, which is not a good thing
Keep in mind that leather is colored or dyed basically in two ways. One is by immersion, where the treatment and pigment goes completely through the thickness of the Leather. That's pretty expensive, and very rare in new mass produced automobiles. Essentially all car leathers are surface dyed, a process similar to putting paint on wood. You can put oil on surface dyed leather seats until it drips off and puddles on the carpet, but it will not penetrate through the leather. Unless it penetrates through cracks and moves laterally, or along stitch lines, and that can cause dark stains in light colored seats. And, since some Lexus leather is perforated, any liquid you use to excess will soak into the padding beneath the leather, which is not a good thing
12-16-16, 09:30 PM
#20
I mostly use the same products on my leather car interior surfaces that I use on the saddles and bridles for my horses. Just search for leather care products and there are tens of thousands of opinions out there about what products are the best, and almost all of it is anecdotal. In my opinion, based on several decades of caring for both horse tack and for car interiors almost leather care products work reasonably well as long as the leather is regularly cleaned and maintained. The real test is a really dried out leather surface, and there I'm partial to Leatherique products.
Keep in mind that leather is colored or dyed basically in two ways. One is by immersion, where the treatment and pigment goes completely through the thickness of the Leather. That's pretty expensive, and very rare in new mass produced automobiles. Essentially all car leathers are surface dyed, a process similar to putting paint on wood. You can put oil on surface dyed leather seats until it drips off and puddles on the carpet, but it will not penetrate through the leather. Unless it penetrates through cracks and moves laterally, or along stitch lines, and that can cause dark stains in light colored seats. And, since some Lexus leather is perforated, any liquid you use to excess will soak into the padding beneath the leather, which is not a good thing
Keep in mind that leather is colored or dyed basically in two ways. One is by immersion, where the treatment and pigment goes completely through the thickness of the Leather. That's pretty expensive, and very rare in new mass produced automobiles. Essentially all car leathers are surface dyed, a process similar to putting paint on wood. You can put oil on surface dyed leather seats until it drips off and puddles on the carpet, but it will not penetrate through the leather. Unless it penetrates through cracks and moves laterally, or along stitch lines, and that can cause dark stains in light colored seats. And, since some Lexus leather is perforated, any liquid you use to excess will soak into the padding beneath the leather, which is not a good thing
12-17-16, 03:24 AM
#21
Pole Position
I mostly use the same products on my leather car interior surfaces that I use on the saddles and bridles for my horses. Just search for leather care products and there are tens of thousands of opinions out there about what products are the best, and almost all of it is anecdotal. In my opinion, based on several decades of caring for both horse tack and for car interiors almost leather care products work reasonably well as long as the leather is regularly cleaned and maintained. The real test is a really dried out leather surface, and there I'm partial to Leatherique products.
Keep in mind that leather is colored or dyed basically in two ways. One is by immersion, where the treatment and pigment goes completely through the thickness of the Leather. That's pretty expensive, and very rare in new mass produced automobiles. Essentially all car leathers are surface dyed, a process similar to putting paint on wood. You can put oil on surface dyed leather seats until it drips off and puddles on the carpet, but it will not penetrate through the leather. Unless it penetrates through cracks and moves laterally, or along stitch lines, and that can cause dark stains in light colored seats. And, since some Lexus leather is perforated, any liquid you use to excess will soak into the padding beneath the leather, which is not a good thing
Keep in mind that leather is colored or dyed basically in two ways. One is by immersion, where the treatment and pigment goes completely through the thickness of the Leather. That's pretty expensive, and very rare in new mass produced automobiles. Essentially all car leathers are surface dyed, a process similar to putting paint on wood. You can put oil on surface dyed leather seats until it drips off and puddles on the carpet, but it will not penetrate through the leather. Unless it penetrates through cracks and moves laterally, or along stitch lines, and that can cause dark stains in light colored seats. And, since some Lexus leather is perforated, any liquid you use to excess will soak into the padding beneath the leather, which is not a good thing
Have used Meguires natural shine on both vinyl and leather in all my Lexi for years.
12-17-16, 12:09 PM
#22
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par·tial
ˈpärSHəl/
adjective
- 1.
existing only in part; incomplete.
"a question to which we have only partial answers"synonyms:incomplete, limited, qualified, imperfect, fragmentary, unfinished
"a partial recovery" - 2.
favoring one side in a dispute above the other; biased.
"the paper gave a distorted and very partial view of the situation"synonyms:biased, prejudiced, partisan, one-sided, slanted, skewed, colored, unbalanced
"a very partial view of the situation"
You picked the first definition, Reggie1 used the second definition.
12-17-16, 03:14 PM
#23
Two common general meanings of the word "partial"...
par·tial
ˈpärSHəl/
adjective
par·tial
ˈpärSHəl/
adjective
- 1.
existing only in part; incomplete.
"a question to which we have only partial answers"synonyms:incomplete, limited, qualified, imperfect, fragmentary, unfinished
"a partial recovery" - 2.
favoring one side in a dispute above the other; biased.
"the paper gave a distorted and very partial view of the situation"synonyms:biased, prejudiced, partisan, one-sided, slanted, skewed, colored, unbalanced
"a very partial view of the situation"
You picked the first definition, Reggie1 used the second definition.
12-17-16, 10:41 PM
#24
So what about semi-aniline and full aniline leather? I know most car leathers are pigmented, but Lexus said that the LX has semi-aniline leather. It probably means pigmented but in a way that it is not fully pigmented or full aniline. I have a full aniline chesterfield sofa from England; it's really nice but a really pain in the rear to take care of. No food, no dirty clothes, no jeans, no dirty pants, no drinks except water at the sofa.And it requires periodic conditioning. Beauty is expensive and high maintenance.
12-17-16, 11:28 PM
#25
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There is a third. A "partial" is dental jargon for a "removable partial denture." It usually replaces missing back teeth, and attaches in some way, usually with clips, to the remaining front teeth. A partial is the stage of replacement before losing all remaining teeth, when you go to a complete or full denture.
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