Demuro calls LX "$95,000 Disappointment"
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Johnny Mayday (10-14-19)
10-12-19, 11:52 AM
#3
Yawn...
I disagree with most of his assessment, hence why I bought one over a POS Range Rover, or the like. At this price point there are many options and if you want and need the latest techy crap go buy something else, that's the beauty of it. Where the LX falls short on techy gadgets it more than makes up for in luxury and offroad prowess.
I disagree with most of his assessment, hence why I bought one over a POS Range Rover, or the like. At this price point there are many options and if you want and need the latest techy crap go buy something else, that's the beauty of it. Where the LX falls short on techy gadgets it more than makes up for in luxury and offroad prowess.
10-13-19, 05:05 PM
#4
Lead Lap
Yawn...
I disagree with most of his assessment, hence why I bought one over a POS Range Rover, or the like. At this price point there are many options and if you want and need the latest techy crap go buy something else, that's the beauty of it. Where the LX falls short on techy gadgets it more than makes up for in luxury and offroad prowess.
I disagree with most of his assessment, hence why I bought one over a POS Range Rover, or the like. At this price point there are many options and if you want and need the latest techy crap go buy something else, that's the beauty of it. Where the LX falls short on techy gadgets it more than makes up for in luxury and offroad prowess.
10-14-19, 04:42 PM
#5
Lexus Champion
Which other mega SUV will be on the road 30 years from now?
There's where a lot of the $95k goes.
I buy cars; I don't lease them, and I drive them until they die.
There's where a lot of the $95k goes.
I buy cars; I don't lease them, and I drive them until they die.
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SL%% (10-17-19)
10-14-19, 04:43 PM
#6
If only there were a thread, many pages long, on this.
He's entirely correct, though: as much as Lexus owners want to flaunt the reliability of their cars, they're hilariously outdated. Look at how long it's going on that these cars don't have Apple Play, yet even the Camry has it and other budget cars have had it for a couple years. The infotainment tech is essentially the same 2013 tech, and the center cluster screen is worse than what you find in a 2019 Camry. This is technology that their reliable mass-selling cars have, yet they simply have not put into their expensive cars. The 2020 will likely have the things updated to match what you'd expect from like 2017-2018, and in two years it'll be hopelessly behind. Again.
He's entirely correct, though: as much as Lexus owners want to flaunt the reliability of their cars, they're hilariously outdated. Look at how long it's going on that these cars don't have Apple Play, yet even the Camry has it and other budget cars have had it for a couple years. The infotainment tech is essentially the same 2013 tech, and the center cluster screen is worse than what you find in a 2019 Camry. This is technology that their reliable mass-selling cars have, yet they simply have not put into their expensive cars. The 2020 will likely have the things updated to match what you'd expect from like 2017-2018, and in two years it'll be hopelessly behind. Again.
10-14-19, 04:49 PM
#7
Lexus Champion
He's so inconsistent.
He previously reviewed a Land Cruiser and praised it....
So it's like....$85k Land Cruiser.... good.
Same vehicle but a Lexus loaded out with exclusive goodies for 10k more.....trash.
He previously reviewed a Land Cruiser and praised it....
So it's like....$85k Land Cruiser.... good.
Same vehicle but a Lexus loaded out with exclusive goodies for 10k more.....trash.
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10-14-19, 06:21 PM
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10-14-19, 06:46 PM
#9
Lexus Champion
Yeah I don't want to turn this into a bash DD thread but I'm not a fan of his. He doesn't know very much about cars at all.
Per my example.
If you want the most overbuilt, over-engineered, capable, and reliable vehicle in production....your choice is a Land Cruiser or LX570. I see plenty all the time. I want a used one to keep for another 10 or 15 plus years.
You think I'm gonna do that in a Range Rover or Mercedes GLS, BMW X7?
Per my example.
If you want the most overbuilt, over-engineered, capable, and reliable vehicle in production....your choice is a Land Cruiser or LX570. I see plenty all the time. I want a used one to keep for another 10 or 15 plus years.
You think I'm gonna do that in a Range Rover or Mercedes GLS, BMW X7?
Last edited by AJT123; 10-14-19 at 06:50 PM.
10-17-19, 02:02 PM
#10
Doug is spot on.
Yes - we all love LEXUS.
But it's not because they're best in class.
Service, reliability, longevity, resale....
As for the LX...it should have been allowed to die years ago.
But I do still love it...
And we've had over a dozen since my new LS400 back in the day ...
One nice point is it's exclusivity...not many new ones on the road...
Only for the refined taste.
Yes - we all love LEXUS.
But it's not because they're best in class.
Service, reliability, longevity, resale....
As for the LX...it should have been allowed to die years ago.
But I do still love it...
And we've had over a dozen since my new LS400 back in the day ...
One nice point is it's exclusivity...not many new ones on the road...
Only for the refined taste.
Last edited by xfea; 10-17-19 at 02:08 PM.
10-17-19, 02:36 PM
#11
Pole Position
Yeah I don't want to turn this into a bash DD thread but I'm not a fan of his. He doesn't know very much about cars at all.
Per my example.
If you want the most overbuilt, over-engineered, capable, and reliable vehicle in production....your choice is a Land Cruiser or LX570. I see plenty all the time. I want a used one to keep for another 10 or 15 plus years.
You think I'm gonna do that in a Range Rover or Mercedes GLS, BMW X7?
Per my example.
If you want the most overbuilt, over-engineered, capable, and reliable vehicle in production....your choice is a Land Cruiser or LX570. I see plenty all the time. I want a used one to keep for another 10 or 15 plus years.
You think I'm gonna do that in a Range Rover or Mercedes GLS, BMW X7?
Doug is spot on.
Yes - we all love LEXUS.
But it's not because they're best in class.
Service, reliability, longevity, resale....
As for the LX...it should have been allowed to die years ago.
But I do still love it...
And we've had over a dozen since my new LS400 back in the day ...
One nice point is it's exclusivity...not many new ones on the road...
Only for the refined taste.
Yes - we all love LEXUS.
But it's not because they're best in class.
Service, reliability, longevity, resale....
As for the LX...it should have been allowed to die years ago.
But I do still love it...
And we've had over a dozen since my new LS400 back in the day ...
One nice point is it's exclusivity...not many new ones on the road...
Only for the refined taste.
If I and wife are going to be 50 miles from the nearest paved road where we have to use a sat-phone, European trucks are definitely not even close to our first choice. As far as dying years ago, Toyota sells every one they import to North American, and you'll notice very little price cutting v. what you call competitors.
10-17-19, 02:47 PM
#12
Lexus Champion
I'm aware that these don't sell like Escalades, but I'll tell you, there are tons of LXs and Cruisers around here.
I passed two '16+ LXs on the same road next to my house coming home today. And I saw another on the previous road I was on.
I passed two '16+ LXs on the same road next to my house coming home today. And I saw another on the previous road I was on.
10-17-19, 05:04 PM
#13
They are not best in class.
Maybe your 20 year old LX that you don't mind knocking around off road is capable.
And your 20 yo LX will maintain a high resale vale (after 20 years it can't go much lower...)
That is a case of reliability & longevity.
But that is not the class that new $100K Luxo SUV's are in.
$100+K luxo SUV's are NOT bought to take wifey one long trek off the beaten track.
You buy a 20 year old beater to do that.
(A decent 20 YO LX...)
No one buys a Lincoln Navigator to take off road.
No one buys a Porsche Cayenne to take off road.
No one buys a Maserati Levante to take off road.
No one buys a Cadillac Escalde to take off road.
No one buys a BMW X5M to take off road.
No one buys a BMW X7 xDrive50i to take off road.
No one buys a Land Rover Range Rovers to take off road.
Those are the competitors in class...
Moving higher the same goes for:
Bentley Bentayga,
Porsche Cayenne Turbo,
Mercedes AMG GLS63,
Lambo Urus,
Land Rover Range Rover Autobiography,
Mercedes AMG G65,
RR Cullinan,
Ferrari Puosange
Just like people DO NOT but exotic performance cars to go fast
Ferrar, Lambo, Maserati, Mclaren, Aston Martin, etc.
Those cars will NEVER be pushed to capabilities - they are used for other purposes.
Just like the Luxo SUV's in the $100k+ class are NEVER going to go one a day off road.
And if you think the European Luxo SUV's are not capable...
Then you've never had your butt in a G-wagon, Range Rover, or even Bentayga...off road.
Maybe your 20 year old LX that you don't mind knocking around off road is capable.
And your 20 yo LX will maintain a high resale vale (after 20 years it can't go much lower...)
That is a case of reliability & longevity.
But that is not the class that new $100K Luxo SUV's are in.
$100+K luxo SUV's are NOT bought to take wifey one long trek off the beaten track.
You buy a 20 year old beater to do that.
(A decent 20 YO LX...)
No one buys a Lincoln Navigator to take off road.
No one buys a Porsche Cayenne to take off road.
No one buys a Maserati Levante to take off road.
No one buys a Cadillac Escalde to take off road.
No one buys a BMW X5M to take off road.
No one buys a BMW X7 xDrive50i to take off road.
No one buys a Land Rover Range Rovers to take off road.
Those are the competitors in class...
Moving higher the same goes for:
Bentley Bentayga,
Porsche Cayenne Turbo,
Mercedes AMG GLS63,
Lambo Urus,
Land Rover Range Rover Autobiography,
Mercedes AMG G65,
RR Cullinan,
Ferrari Puosange
Just like people DO NOT but exotic performance cars to go fast
Ferrar, Lambo, Maserati, Mclaren, Aston Martin, etc.
Those cars will NEVER be pushed to capabilities - they are used for other purposes.
Just like the Luxo SUV's in the $100k+ class are NEVER going to go one a day off road.
And if you think the European Luxo SUV's are not capable...
Then you've never had your butt in a G-wagon, Range Rover, or even Bentayga...off road.
10-17-19, 05:07 PM
#14
My question then is "designed in MY 20 for what purpose?".
Cannot believe you're serious.
You might do it in an earlier Land Rover, but you'd start by replacing the entire frame due to rust. Amhik.
They are the best in their class, but that's a different class than it's competitors...competitors are quick in the corners but they really slow down on relatively easy USFS and BLM "roads".
If I and wife are going to be 50 miles from the nearest paved road where we have to use a sat-phone, European trucks are definitely not even close to our first choice. As far as dying years ago, Toyota sells every one they import to North American, and you'll notice very little price cutting v. what you call competitors.
Cannot believe you're serious.
You might do it in an earlier Land Rover, but you'd start by replacing the entire frame due to rust. Amhik.
They are the best in their class, but that's a different class than it's competitors...competitors are quick in the corners but they really slow down on relatively easy USFS and BLM "roads".
If I and wife are going to be 50 miles from the nearest paved road where we have to use a sat-phone, European trucks are definitely not even close to our first choice. As far as dying years ago, Toyota sells every one they import to North American, and you'll notice very little price cutting v. what you call competitors.
"They sell everyone they import..."
What?
And NO price cutting?
You can get a new 2019 for $10-15k off MSRP.
10-17-19, 07:07 PM
#15
They are not best in class.
Maybe your 20 year old LX that you don't mind knocking around off road is capable.
And your 20 yo LX will maintain a high resale vale (after 20 years it can't go much lower...)
That is a case of reliability & longevity.
But that is not the class that new $100K Luxo SUV's are in.
$100+K luxo SUV's are NOT bought to take wifey one long trek off the beaten track.
You buy a 20 year old beater to do that.
(A decent 20 YO LX...)
No one buys a Lincoln Navigator to take off road.
No one buys a Porsche Cayenne to take off road.
No one buys a Maserati Levante to take off road.
No one buys a Cadillac Escalde to take off road.
No one buys a BMW X5M to take off road.
No one buys a BMW X7 xDrive50i to take off road.
No one buys a Land Rover Range Rovers to take off road.
Those are the competitors in class...
Moving higher the same goes for:
Bentley Bentayga,
Porsche Cayenne Turbo,
Mercedes AMG GLS63,
Lambo Urus,
Land Rover Range Rover Autobiography,
Mercedes AMG G65,
RR Cullinan,
Ferrari Puosange
Just like people DO NOT but exotic performance cars to go fast
Ferrar, Lambo, Maserati, Mclaren, Aston Martin, etc.
Those cars will NEVER be pushed to capabilities - they are used for other purposes.
Just like the Luxo SUV's in the $100k+ class are NEVER going to go one a day off road.
And if you think the European Luxo SUV's are not capable...
Then you've never had your butt in a G-wagon, Range Rover, or even Bentayga...off road.
Maybe your 20 year old LX that you don't mind knocking around off road is capable.
And your 20 yo LX will maintain a high resale vale (after 20 years it can't go much lower...)
That is a case of reliability & longevity.
But that is not the class that new $100K Luxo SUV's are in.
$100+K luxo SUV's are NOT bought to take wifey one long trek off the beaten track.
You buy a 20 year old beater to do that.
(A decent 20 YO LX...)
No one buys a Lincoln Navigator to take off road.
No one buys a Porsche Cayenne to take off road.
No one buys a Maserati Levante to take off road.
No one buys a Cadillac Escalde to take off road.
No one buys a BMW X5M to take off road.
No one buys a BMW X7 xDrive50i to take off road.
No one buys a Land Rover Range Rovers to take off road.
Those are the competitors in class...
Moving higher the same goes for:
Bentley Bentayga,
Porsche Cayenne Turbo,
Mercedes AMG GLS63,
Lambo Urus,
Land Rover Range Rover Autobiography,
Mercedes AMG G65,
RR Cullinan,
Ferrari Puosange
Just like people DO NOT but exotic performance cars to go fast
Ferrar, Lambo, Maserati, Mclaren, Aston Martin, etc.
Those cars will NEVER be pushed to capabilities - they are used for other purposes.
Just like the Luxo SUV's in the $100k+ class are NEVER going to go one a day off road.
And if you think the European Luxo SUV's are not capable...
Then you've never had your butt in a G-wagon, Range Rover, or even Bentayga...off road.
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REDHORSE (10-17-19)