Is premium fuel really needed?
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Just fun fact, the octane molarity is rated after the ethanol is added. So the ethanol content doesn't boost 87 octane a small amount. It is 87 because of the ethanol. I find this out a few years back after way too much research.
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For those that wish to save on fuel costs, there is always the hybrid. Manual recommends regular fuel and I get between 31 and 34 MPG depending on time of year (city). For anyone concerned with the cost of “feeding the beast,” there you go ![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Here in Montreal, Canada, grades are normally 87, 89 and 91. Sometimes we see 94 at Petro-Canada stations. Own my ‘18 NX since a year and always use 91 without issue, dealer says there is no need to go for 94. I get my premium gas at Costco where gas is 10-12 cents/liter (~ 45 cents/gallon) cheaper than major brands. Fuelled up today at Costco for 1,26$/liter for premium while it was 1,40$/liter at other stations
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I've had my new to me 16 NX for a couple weeks now and have filled it up twice now. I am pretty much a creature of habit and driving routine, so it has been interesting to see how my gas bill has actually gone down with the NX vs my older Infiniti FX35. I only used 87 in the FX and now have switched to premium 93. So not only has my mpg of course gotten better, but my weekly bill has dropped over $10 a week using the more expensive 93. Interestingly also was the price jumped 15 cents a gallon the day after I bought the NX, so I imagine if I were still driving the FX, I'd be spending even more. So I will stay with premium from now on.
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I've had my new to me 16 NX for a couple weeks now and have filled it up twice now. I am pretty much a creature of habit and driving routine, so it has been interesting to see how my gas bill has actually gone down with the NX vs my older Infiniti FX35. I only used 87 in the FX and now have switched to premium 93. So not only has my mpg of course gotten better, but my weekly bill has dropped over $10 a week using the more expensive 93. Interestingly also was the price jumped 15 cents a gallon the day after I bought the NX, so I imagine if I were still driving the FX, I'd be spending even more. So I will stay with premium from now on.
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The real problem here is the price jumps between 87,89,91,93. There is no reason it should cost $.20 each step up. That is vastly different to the costs of the energy needed to add the carbon chains and alter the molarity to get said octanes.
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Here in Texas, premium gas cost as least 20% more than regular. Before my current NX, had a RX, and I am not getting 20% more mpg with my current NX, compared to my past RX.
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Another real problem is the price difference between 87 octane gas (regular), and 93 octane gas (premium). Driving a RX with worse mpg than a NX, but using regular gas, cost just as much for gas as a NX using premium gas.
Here in Texas, premium gas cost as least 20% more than regular. Before my current NX, had a RX, and I am not getting 20% more mpg with my current NX, compared to my past RX.
Here in Texas, premium gas cost as least 20% more than regular. Before my current NX, had a RX, and I am not getting 20% more mpg with my current NX, compared to my past RX.
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I have been using Costco Gas 91 in Canada since day 1 for my NX200T.
I skip the other gas stations of Shell/Esso/Petro with 91 octane as their cost is crazy high from 87 to 89 to 91.
Today's price:
Shell/Esso/Petro ($/Litre):
87: 1.249 * 50L = 62.45
89: 1.299 * 50L = 64.95
91: 1.369 * 50L = 68.45
Costco ($/Litre):
87: 1.159 * 50L = 57.95
91: 1.319 * 50L = 65.95
I have to drive about 30kms one way to Costco. That is why when I do need to shop in Costco, then I put gas there. So my timing is usually right most of the time so I dont have to waste gas/mileage to fill it up and I usually fill it up when the gas low-light is close to on otherwise not worth the trip.
I read here that 89 is ok for winter time? If that is true, it is tad cheaper than 91 and save me the trip to costco.
Will 89 and 91 in a mix not a good thing to do?
I know even getting 91 at Shell/Esso/Petro is not a big deal if I can afford a 45k+ car but as gas keeps going up, my pocket hurts. I should have got the NX300H seriously but that would be my next purchase.
Please advise.
I skip the other gas stations of Shell/Esso/Petro with 91 octane as their cost is crazy high from 87 to 89 to 91.
Today's price:
Shell/Esso/Petro ($/Litre):
87: 1.249 * 50L = 62.45
89: 1.299 * 50L = 64.95
91: 1.369 * 50L = 68.45
Costco ($/Litre):
87: 1.159 * 50L = 57.95
91: 1.319 * 50L = 65.95
I have to drive about 30kms one way to Costco. That is why when I do need to shop in Costco, then I put gas there. So my timing is usually right most of the time so I dont have to waste gas/mileage to fill it up and I usually fill it up when the gas low-light is close to on otherwise not worth the trip.
I read here that 89 is ok for winter time? If that is true, it is tad cheaper than 91 and save me the trip to costco.
Will 89 and 91 in a mix not a good thing to do?
I know even getting 91 at Shell/Esso/Petro is not a big deal if I can afford a 45k+ car but as gas keeps going up, my pocket hurts. I should have got the NX300H seriously but that would be my next purchase.
Please advise.
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I have been using Costco Gas 91 in Canada since day 1 for my NX200T.
I skip the other gas stations of Shell/Esso/Petro with 91 octane as their cost is crazy high from 87 to 89 to 91.
Today's price:
Shell/Esso/Petro ($/Litre):
87: 1.249 * 50L = 62.45
89: 1.299 * 50L = 64.95
91: 1.369 * 50L = 68.45
Costco ($/Litre):
87: 1.159 * 50L = 57.95
91: 1.319 * 50L = 65.95
I have to drive about 30kms one way to Costco. That is why when I do need to shop in Costco, then I put gas there. So my timing is usually right most of the time so I dont have to waste gas/mileage to fill it up and I usually fill it up when the gas low-light is close to on otherwise not worth the trip.
I read here that 89 is ok for winter time? If that is true, it is tad cheaper than 91 and save me the trip to costco.
Will 89 and 91 in a mix not a good thing to do?
I know even getting 91 at Shell/Esso/Petro is not a big deal if I can afford a 45k+ car but as gas keeps going up, my pocket hurts. I should have got the NX300H seriously but that would be my next purchase.
Please advise.
I skip the other gas stations of Shell/Esso/Petro with 91 octane as their cost is crazy high from 87 to 89 to 91.
Today's price:
Shell/Esso/Petro ($/Litre):
87: 1.249 * 50L = 62.45
89: 1.299 * 50L = 64.95
91: 1.369 * 50L = 68.45
Costco ($/Litre):
87: 1.159 * 50L = 57.95
91: 1.319 * 50L = 65.95
I have to drive about 30kms one way to Costco. That is why when I do need to shop in Costco, then I put gas there. So my timing is usually right most of the time so I dont have to waste gas/mileage to fill it up and I usually fill it up when the gas low-light is close to on otherwise not worth the trip.
I read here that 89 is ok for winter time? If that is true, it is tad cheaper than 91 and save me the trip to costco.
Will 89 and 91 in a mix not a good thing to do?
I know even getting 91 at Shell/Esso/Petro is not a big deal if I can afford a 45k+ car but as gas keeps going up, my pocket hurts. I should have got the NX300H seriously but that would be my next purchase.
Please advise.
The NX300h gets better mpg but it was too sluggish for my tastes.
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We are proud owners of a 2021 NX 300 F sport. Our salesman told us that the manufacture recommends premium fuel for that car, but that he owns a Lexus also that recommends premium fuel. He said he have never put premium in his car and that the dealership only puts regular gas in all their new cars. Has anyone experienced problems use regular fuel? Salesman will say anything to sell a car.
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We are proud owners of a 2021 NX 300 F sport. Our salesman told us that the manufacture recommends premium fuel for that car, but that he owns a Lexus also that recommends premium fuel. He said he have never put premium in his car and that the dealership only puts regular gas in all their new cars. Has anyone experienced problems use regular fuel? Salesman will say anything to sell a car.
The pcm will adjust to a lower octane fuel which will in turn equal a loss of power in the right conditions. If you live in a cool climate then you will be less likely to see the effects of using a lower octane fuel.
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We are proud owners of a 2021 NX 300 F sport. Our salesman told us that the manufacture recommends premium fuel for that car, but that he owns a Lexus also that recommends premium fuel. He said he have never put premium in his car and that the dealership only puts regular gas in all their new cars. Has anyone experienced problems use regular fuel? Salesman will say anything to sell a car.
There are many opinions on this topic as you can see from the length of this thread. My opinion is to trust the manufacturer, otherwise why am I even buying from this manufacturer if I don't? They have tuned the car based on a specific octane rating. Yes, as others point out, modern cars can easily adjust the timing to compensate for lower octanes - but my "opinion" is why not just used the recommended fuel so that it doesn't have to constantly adjust for the fact that we are running lower octane fuels? I realize premium fuel has a higher cost, and my hybrid NX is not turbocharged, so regular fuel is recommended. With that disclosure, this discussion is a bit academic for me, but I ran premium fuel in past cars that carried such recommendation from the manufacturer. Another consideration is that octane ratings will vary depending on retailers and regions, so your car may be adjusting the timing anyway even if you are running fuel labeled as premium. The bottom line is that you won't hurt anything by running regular fuel as your car will compensate as necessary. Oh - and as to the salesman's claim that they only fill with regular on the lot, I would find that very credible. I seriously doubt my dealer has anything but a single regular fuel tank on their lot.
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We are proud owners of a 2021 NX 300 F sport. Our salesman told us that the manufacture recommends premium fuel for that car, but that he owns a Lexus also that recommends premium fuel. He said he have never put premium in his car and that the dealership only puts regular gas in all their new cars. Has anyone experienced problems use regular fuel? Salesman will say anything to sell a car.
"Use of unleaded gasoline with an octane rating lower than what is listed for your model year vehicle could potentially result in engine knocking. If the octane rating used is less than required, damage to the engine may occur and which could void the vehicle warranty. "
https://lexus2.custhelp.com/app/answ...xus-vehicle%3F
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