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03-16-23, 08:00 PM
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@43sbest Do you have an Amazon link for the Pins?
This is ALL new to me. I haven't had PINS on any of my ES's I have or have had over the years. I'm picking up my NX 450h+ on 12-15 April.
This is ALL new to me. I haven't had PINS on any of my ES's I have or have had over the years. I'm picking up my NX 450h+ on 12-15 April.
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SgtLip (03-17-23)
03-16-23, 10:03 PM
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[QUOTE=SgtLip;11468284]@43sbest Do you have an Amazon link for the Pins?
This is ALL new to me. I haven't had PINS on any of my ES's I have or have had over the years. I'm picking up my NX 450h+ on 12-15 April.[/QUOTE
The NX is the only Lexus that uses "lug bolts" not studs that take lug nuts. Lug bolts have been used on European cars for years and are a pain in the a**. Why Lexus decided to use them on the 2022-2023 (and I assume future NX) NX beats me. The reason for the alignment pins is to keep the wheel/tire from falling off when you remove all of the lug bolts and to hold the tire/wheel in place when you install a spare, rotate or install new tires because you don't have studs to keep the wheel on. I have 2 - 14X1.5 pins I used on my last 3 BMWs and that the size for the NX. The tire shop used them when I took off the sorry Run Flats that come on the NX and put on 245/50R20 Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3 non run flats-----------------what a difference in the ride and noise.
This is ALL new to me. I haven't had PINS on any of my ES's I have or have had over the years. I'm picking up my NX 450h+ on 12-15 April.[/QUOTE
The NX is the only Lexus that uses "lug bolts" not studs that take lug nuts. Lug bolts have been used on European cars for years and are a pain in the a**. Why Lexus decided to use them on the 2022-2023 (and I assume future NX) NX beats me. The reason for the alignment pins is to keep the wheel/tire from falling off when you remove all of the lug bolts and to hold the tire/wheel in place when you install a spare, rotate or install new tires because you don't have studs to keep the wheel on. I have 2 - 14X1.5 pins I used on my last 3 BMWs and that the size for the NX. The tire shop used them when I took off the sorry Run Flats that come on the NX and put on 245/50R20 Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3 non run flats-----------------what a difference in the ride and noise.
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SgtLip (03-17-23)
03-17-23, 05:19 AM
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Coming from a European vehicle with lug bolts instead of lug nuts, it's honestly not a big issue IMO. Keep your socket and lug bolts beside you while changing wheels and once the wheel is seated on the hub hold it in place with one hand (or your foot/knee) while screwing in one of the bolts with your other hand. Once you have one bolt screwed in hand tight the bolt will hold the weight of the wheel and you can install the remaining 4 bolts.
03-17-23, 05:24 AM
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I bought just one of these: https://tinyurl.com/guide-pin
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Doug007 (03-17-23)
03-17-23, 05:31 AM
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[QUOTE=43sbest;11468358]
I'm sitting here researching this car like crazy. Downloaded the Owners Manual and have read it cover to cover. I ran across the part about Run Flats and went to tire Rack to investigate them. Let's just say I was extremely disappointed in seeing these tires used. Every Lexus I've purchased new (5) has had Michelin tires. As a matter of fact the only Run Flats I could find for the NX 450h+ were two different tires with the same brand. All of the reviews said they are crap. So when I see all the forum posts I'm trying to decide what to put on there and when. You've gone with a different size and brand. I've never changed sizes before. But this may be my first.
@43sbest Do you have an Amazon link for the Pins?
This is ALL new to me. I haven't had PINS on any of my ES's I have or have had over the years. I'm picking up my NX 450h+ on 12-15 April.[/QUOTE
The NX is the only Lexus that uses "lug bolts" not studs that take lug nuts. Lug bolts have been used on European cars for years and are a pain in the a**. Why Lexus decided to use them on the 2022-2023 (and I assume future NX) NX beats me. The reason for the alignment pins is to keep the wheel/tire from falling off when you remove all of the lug bolts and to hold the tire/wheel in place when you install a spare, rotate or install new tires because you don't have studs to keep the wheel on. I have 2 - 14X1.5 pins I used on my last 3 BMWs and that the size for the NX. The tire shop used them when I took off the sorry Run Flats that come on the NX and put on 245/50R20 Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3 non run flats-----------------what a difference in the ride and noise.
This is ALL new to me. I haven't had PINS on any of my ES's I have or have had over the years. I'm picking up my NX 450h+ on 12-15 April.[/QUOTE
The NX is the only Lexus that uses "lug bolts" not studs that take lug nuts. Lug bolts have been used on European cars for years and are a pain in the a**. Why Lexus decided to use them on the 2022-2023 (and I assume future NX) NX beats me. The reason for the alignment pins is to keep the wheel/tire from falling off when you remove all of the lug bolts and to hold the tire/wheel in place when you install a spare, rotate or install new tires because you don't have studs to keep the wheel on. I have 2 - 14X1.5 pins I used on my last 3 BMWs and that the size for the NX. The tire shop used them when I took off the sorry Run Flats that come on the NX and put on 245/50R20 Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3 non run flats-----------------what a difference in the ride and noise.
03-17-23, 11:40 AM
#21
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[QUOTE=SgtLip;11468439]
I'm sitting here researching this car like crazy. Downloaded the Owners Manual and have read it cover to cover. I ran across the part about Run Flats and went to tire Rack to investigate them. Let's just say I was extremely disappointed in seeing these tires used. Every Lexus I've purchased new (5) has had Michelin tires. As a matter of fact the only Run Flats I could find for the NX 450h+ were two different tires with the same brand. All of the reviews said they are crap. So when I see all the forum posts I'm trying to decide what to put on there and when. You've gone with a different size and brand. I've never changed sizes before. But this may be my first.
The NX comes with the Bridgestone Alenza A/S 02, the worst of the bunch and crap is putting it mildly. You can spend $120,000 on a Lexus LS500 and you get the same tires. They are made at the Bridgestone plant in Japan so my guess is most Lexus made in Japan will have these tires. The 245/50 R20s fit fine, no problem and they ride and handle better than the 235s also a lot less road noise. There are also many more choices and cost less. Some folks on this forum get kind of bent out of shape when the run flats are criticized but that's there problem, everyone has a right to express his or her opinion and in my opinion they are crap. I changed mine at about 600 miles (my-correction my wife's NX 350 AWD LUX is about 6 months old and has just over 1,500 miles). I kept the run flats and will put them on when I trade. Take a look at the thread "replacing run flat tire"
I'm sitting here researching this car like crazy. Downloaded the Owners Manual and have read it cover to cover. I ran across the part about Run Flats and went to tire Rack to investigate them. Let's just say I was extremely disappointed in seeing these tires used. Every Lexus I've purchased new (5) has had Michelin tires. As a matter of fact the only Run Flats I could find for the NX 450h+ were two different tires with the same brand. All of the reviews said they are crap. So when I see all the forum posts I'm trying to decide what to put on there and when. You've gone with a different size and brand. I've never changed sizes before. But this may be my first.
03-17-23, 07:09 PM
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[QUOTE=43sbest;11468358]
@43sbest I'm by far NO TIRE Specialist.
I just went and compared the tire sizes of OEM size versus the 245/50R20 size you used. I saw they are not an exact comparison. The size you selected shows there is a Speedometer Error; Odometer reads 20MPH but Actual mileage is 20.2MPH, @30 actual is 30.3, @40 actual is 40.4 and so on. Over time that is a lot more miles then actually reflected on the odometer. Is that a good idea?
@43sbest Do you have an Amazon link for the Pins?
This is ALL new to me. I haven't had PINS on any of my ES's I have or have had over the years. I'm picking up my NX 450h+ on 12-15 April.[/QUOTE
The NX is the only Lexus that uses "lug bolts" not studs that take lug nuts. Lug bolts have been used on European cars for years and are a pain in the a**. Why Lexus decided to use them on the 2022-2023 (and I assume future NX) NX beats me. The reason for the alignment pins is to keep the wheel/tire from falling off when you remove all of the lug bolts and to hold the tire/wheel in place when you install a spare, rotate or install new tires because you don't have studs to keep the wheel on. I have 2 - 14X1.5 pins I used on my last 3 BMWs and that the size for the NX. The tire shop used them when I took off the sorry Run Flats that come on the NX and put on 245/50R20 Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3 non run flats-----------------what a difference in the ride and noise.
This is ALL new to me. I haven't had PINS on any of my ES's I have or have had over the years. I'm picking up my NX 450h+ on 12-15 April.[/QUOTE
The NX is the only Lexus that uses "lug bolts" not studs that take lug nuts. Lug bolts have been used on European cars for years and are a pain in the a**. Why Lexus decided to use them on the 2022-2023 (and I assume future NX) NX beats me. The reason for the alignment pins is to keep the wheel/tire from falling off when you remove all of the lug bolts and to hold the tire/wheel in place when you install a spare, rotate or install new tires because you don't have studs to keep the wheel on. I have 2 - 14X1.5 pins I used on my last 3 BMWs and that the size for the NX. The tire shop used them when I took off the sorry Run Flats that come on the NX and put on 245/50R20 Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3 non run flats-----------------what a difference in the ride and noise.
I just went and compared the tire sizes of OEM size versus the 245/50R20 size you used. I saw they are not an exact comparison. The size you selected shows there is a Speedometer Error; Odometer reads 20MPH but Actual mileage is 20.2MPH, @30 actual is 30.3, @40 actual is 40.4 and so on. Over time that is a lot more miles then actually reflected on the odometer. Is that a good idea?
03-17-23, 09:28 PM
#23
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[QUOTE=SgtLip;11469012]
@43sbest I'm by far NO TIRE Specialist.
I just went and compared the tire sizes of OEM size versus the 245/50R20 size you used. I saw they are not an exact comparison. The size you selected shows there is a Speedometer Error; Odometer reads 20MPH but Actual mileage is 20.2MPH, @30 actual is 30.3, @40 actual is 40.4 and so on. Over time that is a lot more miles then actually reflected on the odometer. Is that a good idea?
I'm not a tire expert ether but I did my research before going to the 245s, 70.7 MPH with the 245s when the speedometer reads 70 mph, I can live with that. MPH has nothing to do with actual total mileage, revolutions per mile determine that. See revs/mile on the link, I believe that turns out to be about 13 miles less with the 245s per 1000 miles because the 245s turn a touch less revs/mile than the 235s. If you believe 245s are not for you so be it, they work fine for me. https://tiresize.com/comparison/
I also have this link in my post of 3/2/23 in "replacing run flat tires" on this forum.
@43sbest I'm by far NO TIRE Specialist.
I just went and compared the tire sizes of OEM size versus the 245/50R20 size you used. I saw they are not an exact comparison. The size you selected shows there is a Speedometer Error; Odometer reads 20MPH but Actual mileage is 20.2MPH, @30 actual is 30.3, @40 actual is 40.4 and so on. Over time that is a lot more miles then actually reflected on the odometer. Is that a good idea?
I also have this link in my post of 3/2/23 in "replacing run flat tires" on this forum.
03-18-23, 06:00 AM
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[QUOTE=43sbest;11469078]
I'm not a tire expert ether but I did my research before going to the 245s, 70.7 MPH with the 245s when the speedometer reads 70 mph, I can live with that. MPH has nothing to do with actual total mileage, revolutions per mile determine that. See revs/mile on the link, I believe that turns out to be about 13 miles less with the 245s per 1000 miles because the 245s turn a touch less revs/mile than the 235s. If you believe 245s are not for you so be it, they work fine for me. https://tiresize.com/comparison/
I also have this link in my post of 3/2/23 in "replacing run flat tires" on this forum.
@43sbest I wasn't being negative, I was asking what I thought was a valid question. I asked that because I sent my Dealer a text last night to see if they would/could swap the tires prior to delivery. His response was "I can ask tomorrow my guess they will look at liability if there’s no spare tire etc and evaluate all facts before responding, they evaluate any changes to a vehicle that we make." So I was wondering if there could be an issue swapping the tires from a dealer point of view because of the difference in mileage. But I really appreciated your post and am interested in swapping my tires as well. Thanks for the posts.
I'm not a tire expert ether but I did my research before going to the 245s, 70.7 MPH with the 245s when the speedometer reads 70 mph, I can live with that. MPH has nothing to do with actual total mileage, revolutions per mile determine that. See revs/mile on the link, I believe that turns out to be about 13 miles less with the 245s per 1000 miles because the 245s turn a touch less revs/mile than the 235s. If you believe 245s are not for you so be it, they work fine for me. https://tiresize.com/comparison/
I also have this link in my post of 3/2/23 in "replacing run flat tires" on this forum.
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03-18-23, 12:57 PM
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[QUOTE=SgtLip;11469165]
@43sbest I wasn't being negative, I was asking what I thought was a valid question. I asked that because I sent my Dealer a text last night to see if they would/could swap the tires prior to delivery. His response was "I can ask tomorrow my guess they will look at liability if there’s no spare tire etc and evaluate all facts before responding, they evaluate any changes to a vehicle that we make." So I was wondering if there could be an issue swapping the tires from a dealer point of view because of the difference in mileage. But I really appreciated your post and am interested in swapping my tires as well. Thanks for the posts.
Your Lexus dealer is not going to swap tires and you can take that to the bank. Your struck with what you have unless you buy new tires. If the small difference in the MPH bother's you then get another brand of 235s that are not RF, they just cost more than the 245s. I don't think I'm going to get stopped for speeding for going 22.2 MPH in a 20 MPH school zone or 70.7 on I - 95. As I pointed out the difference in the odometer reading is about 13 miles less with the 245s per 1,000 miles---------------------that's next to nothing.
Good luck
@43sbest I wasn't being negative, I was asking what I thought was a valid question. I asked that because I sent my Dealer a text last night to see if they would/could swap the tires prior to delivery. His response was "I can ask tomorrow my guess they will look at liability if there’s no spare tire etc and evaluate all facts before responding, they evaluate any changes to a vehicle that we make." So I was wondering if there could be an issue swapping the tires from a dealer point of view because of the difference in mileage. But I really appreciated your post and am interested in swapping my tires as well. Thanks for the posts.
Good luck
03-18-23, 02:17 PM
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[QUOTE=43sbest;11469397]
Your Lexus dealer is not going to swap tires and you can take that to the bank. Your struck with what you have unless you buy new tires. If the small difference in the MPH bother's you then get another brand of 235s that are not RF, they just cost more than the 245s. I don't think I'm going to get stopped for speeding for going 22.2 MPH in a 20 MPH school zone or 70.7 on I - 95. As I pointed out the difference in the odometer reading is about 13 miles less with the 245s per 1,000 miles---------------------that's next to nothing.
Good luck
Just heard back from my salesman. The dealer will swap the tires out for sure. I'm going to stay with the same size, didn't want to push my luck, but am trying to decide between the Michelin Primacy A/S versus the Pirelli Scorpion Zero A/S. He gave me a number for the Michelins but I have to talk to the Service folks to see what they'll give me back for the factory RF's. Maybe I'll ask him about putting the 245's on there and see what he says. I'm sure there will be additional cost involved but I figure even if I waited six months and purchased them, I'd be paying the difference. I think this way I get a something back for the factory crap that I have no use for even if it is only a dollar.
But I really appreciate your posts and the information you provide. I'm up in Crystal River, about an hour north of Tampa if you're ever in the neighborhood. Take care, be safe and again, thanks for the advice.
Your Lexus dealer is not going to swap tires and you can take that to the bank. Your struck with what you have unless you buy new tires. If the small difference in the MPH bother's you then get another brand of 235s that are not RF, they just cost more than the 245s. I don't think I'm going to get stopped for speeding for going 22.2 MPH in a 20 MPH school zone or 70.7 on I - 95. As I pointed out the difference in the odometer reading is about 13 miles less with the 245s per 1,000 miles---------------------that's next to nothing.
Good luck
But I really appreciate your posts and the information you provide. I'm up in Crystal River, about an hour north of Tampa if you're ever in the neighborhood. Take care, be safe and again, thanks for the advice.
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