First look at the 2022 NX
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More bad news for prospective Lexus seekers…
GM just announced moments ago they are halting car production in their plants due to chip shortages.
I am pretty certain this is going to be a world-wide issue
GM just announced moments ago they are halting car production in their plants due to chip shortages.
I am pretty certain this is going to be a world-wide issue
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So I'm super confused now with hybrid and plug in hybrid... I've read the entire thread and I'm still like "which is better?".
So what everyone is saying with a normal hybrid is that the engine/braking...etc. That's ALL charging (depending on conditions/speed) the battery. The car automatically switches between battery mode and gas mode. I just actually drove a Prius in Hawaii as a rental the last two weeks and I was pleasantly surprised at not only how little gas was used but just the sheer MPG we were getting. One thing I noticed is I could be in EV mode up to a certain speed then it would switch to gas. But if I was cruising on the highway at say 60ish if I looked at my gauge cluster it would sometimes read EV, so at that point I wasn't sure if I was full battery mode or a combination of both because it still sounded like the engine was running.
With a plug in hybrid (this is where I am confused). Do you HAVE to plug the vehicle in to charge it or will the gas engine/braking also charge that battery? A plug in hybrid gives you the ability to "switch" battery only mode but only for X amount of miles/time depending on charge level I suppose, yes? And from reading you get an extended range with plug in hybrid due to the fact that the battery is bigger, but also heavier?
Am I understanding that correctly?
If that above is correct then I guess I'm not understanding why a plug in hybrid is better if you are in a way having to manually charge the car compared to a normal hybrid that is charging it for you. Unless you needed that extra battery range, then it would make sense.
Thanks,
-Nigel
So what everyone is saying with a normal hybrid is that the engine/braking...etc. That's ALL charging (depending on conditions/speed) the battery. The car automatically switches between battery mode and gas mode. I just actually drove a Prius in Hawaii as a rental the last two weeks and I was pleasantly surprised at not only how little gas was used but just the sheer MPG we were getting. One thing I noticed is I could be in EV mode up to a certain speed then it would switch to gas. But if I was cruising on the highway at say 60ish if I looked at my gauge cluster it would sometimes read EV, so at that point I wasn't sure if I was full battery mode or a combination of both because it still sounded like the engine was running.
With a plug in hybrid (this is where I am confused). Do you HAVE to plug the vehicle in to charge it or will the gas engine/braking also charge that battery? A plug in hybrid gives you the ability to "switch" battery only mode but only for X amount of miles/time depending on charge level I suppose, yes? And from reading you get an extended range with plug in hybrid due to the fact that the battery is bigger, but also heavier?
Am I understanding that correctly?
If that above is correct then I guess I'm not understanding why a plug in hybrid is better if you are in a way having to manually charge the car compared to a normal hybrid that is charging it for you. Unless you needed that extra battery range, then it would make sense.
Thanks,
-Nigel
That was kind of a long-winded way of saying that I believe your understanding is essentially correct. I have owned two generations of Prius hybrids, two generations of Lexus ES hybrids, an NX hybrid and now an RX hybrid. I am just a driver and certainly not a mechanic or an expert, but I am very comfortable with hybrids and appreciate their advantages - which extend beyond merely better fuel economy. I like the smoothness of the transmissions and they are quieter than their counterparts in many instances since they just roll along on electric at lower speeds. Conversely, when pushed hard they can be louder than their gas-only counterparts because they have less powerful internal combustion engines. Every car design is a compromise, but for a commuter or grocery-getter these are great vehicles. If you like spirited driving or canyon carving, they wouldn't be the best choice (but you have an RC for that). We have driven our hybrids on road trips and they still do quite well where you don't need an especially powerful drivetrain to maintain highway cruising speeds.
I still think hybrid is the way to go with a new car. As to the choice between a standard hybrid and a plug-in hybrid - I personally think the price difference is just too steep at this point for a plug-in hybrid. I'm willing to let others pay that premium to test out the benefits of the plug-in models and report back to the rest of us.
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I still think hybrid is the way to go with a new car. As to the choice between a standard hybrid and a plug-in hybrid - I personally think the price difference is just too steep at this point for a plug-in hybrid. I'm willing to let others pay that premium to test out the benefits of the plug-in models and report back to the rest of us.
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So I'm super confused now with hybrid and plug in hybrid... I've read the entire thread and I'm still like "which is better?".
So what everyone is saying with a normal hybrid is that the engine/braking...etc. That's ALL charging (depending on conditions/speed) the battery. The car automatically switches between battery mode and gas mode. I just actually drove a Prius in Hawaii as a rental the last two weeks and I was pleasantly surprised at not only how little gas was used but just the sheer MPG we were getting. One thing I noticed is I could be in EV mode up to a certain speed then it would switch to gas. But if I was cruising on the highway at say 60ish if I looked at my gauge cluster it would sometimes read EV, so at that point I wasn't sure if I was full battery mode or a combination of both because it still sounded like the engine was running.
So what everyone is saying with a normal hybrid is that the engine/braking...etc. That's ALL charging (depending on conditions/speed) the battery. The car automatically switches between battery mode and gas mode. I just actually drove a Prius in Hawaii as a rental the last two weeks and I was pleasantly surprised at not only how little gas was used but just the sheer MPG we were getting. One thing I noticed is I could be in EV mode up to a certain speed then it would switch to gas. But if I was cruising on the highway at say 60ish if I looked at my gauge cluster it would sometimes read EV, so at that point I wasn't sure if I was full battery mode or a combination of both because it still sounded like the engine was running.
With a plug in hybrid (this is where I am confused). Do you HAVE to plug the vehicle in to charge it or will the gas engine/braking also charge that battery? A plug in hybrid gives you the ability to "switch" battery only mode but only for X amount of miles/time depending on charge level I suppose, yes? And from reading you get an extended range with plug in hybrid due to the fact that the battery is bigger, but also heavier?
Am I understanding that correctly?
Am I understanding that correctly?
If that above is correct then I guess I'm not understanding why a plug in hybrid is better if you are in a way having to manually charge the car compared to a normal hybrid that is charging it for you. Unless you needed that extra battery range, then it would make sense.
Thanks,
-Nigel
Thanks,
-Nigel
You do not have to plug in a plug in hybrid. If you don't, it will pretty much just operate like a regular hybrid which can use the engine and/or braking to charge the battery. Much of the PHEV's benefits are negated if you don't plan on regularly plugging it in, and you will be lugging around several hundred pounds in extra weight, thus less efficient than the hybrid all else being equal. The only instance that I can think of that is beneficial is if you're rolling down a steep and LONG hill. In the regular hybrid, once the battery is full (which doesn't take much) it will just be freewheeling down. In the PHEV, it will recharge the battery the whole way down, ie truly free electricity (never mind the gas and/or electricity you used to climb UP, lol) Even then you can argue that the regular hybrid is still more efficient as it likely uses a bit less gas to climb that hill. It will be a never ending argument.
If you're regularly plugging in the PHEV, you can get some insane average MPG. Just a quick and simple example with the NX PHEV's specs, 36 miles of pure EV range and 36MPG on gas. So you drive 36 miles in pure EV mode, and you drive 36 miles on gas consuming one gallon. That's 72MPG. Yes this is like treating electricity as if it is free, and it kind of is for those with a solar system. When I drive our Ioniq PHEV, I prefer to manage the EV mode myself to spread out the average. In winter, it averaged low-mid 70 MPG. Since Spring until now it is currently at 96MPG. Compared to our CT200h which is just a less efficient 3rd gen Prius, in winter it averaged mid-high 30MPG, spring/summer/fall low-mid 40MPG.
I currently have one each of PHEV, HEV, and BEV. I still believe that currently a PHEV is the best of both worlds, if you can only have one car.
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Also in the case of the NX, the hybrid is the most underpowered of all variants while the plug in has the highest HP. It would not have mattered to me a few years back, but having driven a German suv now for a few years, I don’t want to lose that power. The plug in version seems to be the right balance of power and Lexus reliability that I am looking for
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Perhaps my takeaway is wrong, but it seems like nobody wants to buy used electric vehicles.
Wonder how much depreciation the Lexus offerings will suffer…
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...suvs/?slide=16
Wonder how much depreciation the Lexus offerings will suffer…
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...suvs/?slide=16
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Tesla only sells low emission electric Vehicles. Toyota and the other car manufacturers have to sell a certain percentage of low emission vehicles in these states.
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Isn't the horsepower boost with the plug-in hybrid contingent on the charge status of the hybrid battery? If that is the case and if you no longer have a sufficient charge of the hybrid battery to run the vehicle only on electric power, it would seem that your horsepower would be down to the level of the regular hybrid, in which case the vehicle would be operating like the regular hybrid, but it would have to be powering a vehicle that is several hundred pounds heavier than the regular hybrid. At a minimum, I would think that the available horsepower would be variable from one moment to the next, depending on the charge status of the hybrid battery.
Perhaps my takeaway is wrong, but it seems like nobody wants to buy used electric vehicles.
Wonder how much depreciation the Lexus offerings will suffer…
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...suvs/?slide=16
Wonder how much depreciation the Lexus offerings will suffer…
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...suvs/?slide=16
Carvana offered $43k and Vroom offered $44k for my 2yr old RX hybrid. I paid $48k for it back when heavy discounts were expected. IMO the NX PHEV will have insane resale value, much like the current RAV4 Prime and even the regular hybrid.
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While it is good to see that there is a charge reserve to make maximum power available at all times, it seems as though, once you get into that reserve, the car's computer is going to have to adjust to maintain that reserve, and, when it does that, the car will likely have to run on the ICE more than it normally would, which, in turn, would negatively impact fuel economy. It is much like, with a regular hybrid, when the hybrid battery is depleted to a lower charge level, the car will operate more with the ICE than it normally would until the battery is brought back to a higher level.
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Looking at the NX videos today. Was surprised to see that there is no spare tire.
Is this on every model? Or just the Hybrid/Plug Ins?
Never owned a vehicle that did have at least the smaller emergency spare tire.
Is this on every model? Or just the Hybrid/Plug Ins?
Never owned a vehicle that did have at least the smaller emergency spare tire.
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people complained so much over the years with BMW run flats that they now offer most of the models with the option of non-run flats of course it comes with a spare which you have to pay $150 additional.
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Nice to see the NX 350 F Sport can also get the Luxury Pkg. It also looks like the ground clearance will be higher than last yrs model.
If you look at the comments on this video, Jake lists the dimensions of the new NX and ground clearance is up from 6.9 to 7.3
If you look at the comments on this video, Jake lists the dimensions of the new NX and ground clearance is up from 6.9 to 7.3
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Jake did the build sheet video on the 450h+. He seems like a cool salesman.. Car comes standard with the luxury package so there's really not much to add. One big omission being the Mark Levinson is somehow not listed being available on the 450h+. Might just be a mistake on Lexus' part, or perhaps it is standard. So your only real decision is whether you want F-Sport or not, plus the couple of minor options. Still no pricing yet. My guess luxury is $59.9K, and F-Sport is $63K.
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