NX made on same line as Rav4
04-16-22, 09:35 PM
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I disagree on a number of fronts:
You can't just say that the average age in Canada and US is lower than in Japan without empirical data; Science doesn't work like that.
Second, do you think the workers in Cambridge or Georgetown don't take any pride in their work because they are not in Japan? That's a gross assumption. It's like saying every American loves guns because you have the 2nd amendment.🙄
Third, so you're actually saying that Lexus will pay no attention to the suppliers and allow any crappy company supply the parts for a Lexus vehicle simply because it's made abroad and they don't care? That's another gross assumption that's probably very won't. Irrespective of where the vehicle is made, it carries the Lexus badge. The Lexus that I know it's very meticulous and particular about their badges irrespective of where the vehicle was manufactured.
I would think a poorly made car out of Cambridge or Georgetown would be the exception rather than the norm.
Lexus always touts their exceptionally high standards and quality of all their cars, irrespective of where it's made. I'll trust Lexus's word than a third party engineer who thinks he knows better than the manufacturer.
You can't just say that the average age in Canada and US is lower than in Japan without empirical data; Science doesn't work like that.
Second, do you think the workers in Cambridge or Georgetown don't take any pride in their work because they are not in Japan? That's a gross assumption. It's like saying every American loves guns because you have the 2nd amendment.🙄
Third, so you're actually saying that Lexus will pay no attention to the suppliers and allow any crappy company supply the parts for a Lexus vehicle simply because it's made abroad and they don't care? That's another gross assumption that's probably very won't. Irrespective of where the vehicle is made, it carries the Lexus badge. The Lexus that I know it's very meticulous and particular about their badges irrespective of where the vehicle was manufactured.
I would think a poorly made car out of Cambridge or Georgetown would be the exception rather than the norm.
Lexus always touts their exceptionally high standards and quality of all their cars, irrespective of where it's made. I'll trust Lexus's word than a third party engineer who thinks he knows better than the manufacturer.
2. I never said no pride. That is a gross assumption on your part.
3. I never said poorly made cars come out of CA/US. I said on average the quality from the Japan plants are better due to the 3 points in my post.
4. Of course Lexus touts their quality, but here we're not talking about marketing speak, we're talking about reality. There are universally more defects coming out from US/CA factories than Japan. For example, look at the A25A engine block that were defective, coming from TMMC and TMMK, no such issue from the engine plants that made the A25A in Japan. And who supplied the Engine Block? Toyota Bodine Aluminum, Inc. in the US. Which is evidence of part supplier quality.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/202...0V064-0396.pdf
5.Addition evidence of supplier (Aisin Automotive Casting Tennessee, Inc) issue:
"The involved vehicles are equipped with a 2.5L, 4 cylinder A25A-FKS engine, which contains the piston(s) produced at a supplier in the U.S. during a specific period with larger diameter than the specification. Some 2018MY Camry vehicles produced in Japan and exported to the U.S. are equipped with the same engine which contains pistons produced at a supplier in Japan that were produced with the correct diameter specification. "
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...8V200-0702.pdf
6. Yes sure, vote with your wallet, go buy a Toyota made in Russia. It has a Toyota badge right? Are you telling me when a Japan made and a Russia made Toyota sits right next to each other, you will pick the Russian made?
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04-16-22, 09:41 PM
#47
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1. The workers on average have more experience in the Lexus plants in Japan. You cannot disapprove my point without providing evidence of your own that are of contrary.
2. I never said no pride. That is a gross assumption on your part.
3. I never said poorly made cars come out of CA/US. I said on average the quality from the Japan plants are better due to the 3 points in my post.
4. Of course Lexus touts their quality, but here we're not talking about marketing speak, we're talking about reality. There are universally more defects coming out from US/CA factories than Japan. For example, look at the A25A engine block that were defective, coming from TMMC and TMMK, no such issue from the engine plants that made the A25A in Japan. And who supplied the Engine Block? Toyota Bodine Aluminum, Inc. in the US. Which is evidence of part supplier quality.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/202...0V064-0396.pdf
5. Yes sure, vote with your wallet, go buy a Toyota made in Russia. It has a Toyota badge right? Are you telling me when a Japan made and a Russia made Toyota sits right next to each other, you will pick the Russian made?
2. I never said no pride. That is a gross assumption on your part.
3. I never said poorly made cars come out of CA/US. I said on average the quality from the Japan plants are better due to the 3 points in my post.
4. Of course Lexus touts their quality, but here we're not talking about marketing speak, we're talking about reality. There are universally more defects coming out from US/CA factories than Japan. For example, look at the A25A engine block that were defective, coming from TMMC and TMMK, no such issue from the engine plants that made the A25A in Japan. And who supplied the Engine Block? Toyota Bodine Aluminum, Inc. in the US. Which is evidence of part supplier quality.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/202...0V064-0396.pdf
5. Yes sure, vote with your wallet, go buy a Toyota made in Russia. It has a Toyota badge right? Are you telling me when a Japan made and a Russia made Toyota sits right next to each other, you will pick the Russian made?
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04-16-22, 09:56 PM
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04-16-22, 10:02 PM
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I have no issue with what you're comfortable with. The discussion was about relative quality at scale between US/CA and Japan with regards to plants and part suppliers. The fact that you keep on insisting there is zero difference is simply false as I have provided evidence for. The assumption is also massively false that because that standards are the same that the end product is exactly the same.
04-16-22, 10:04 PM
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You would be able to tell the difference between a Made in Japan vs. Made in Canada Toyota with the VINs removed, in the fit, finish, and paint job.
Even Dave at the Automotive Press when comparing Made in Japan vs. Made in Canada Rav4's attested to this.
Even Dave at the Automotive Press when comparing Made in Japan vs. Made in Canada Rav4's attested to this.
04-16-22, 10:06 PM
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04-16-22, 10:12 PM
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It's "Takata". And the root cause is a design and engineering fault, not manufacturing. This thread is about manufacturing differences. Keep to topic. Conflating the premise to draw on irrelevant examples don't really prove your point of view.
04-16-22, 10:14 PM
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04-16-22, 10:18 PM
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Yes but those parts went into a Japanese made Toyotas that you said has superior parts from suppliers.
04-16-22, 10:19 PM
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