sc300, 98 vs 92
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sc300, 98 vs 92
besides the 98 being newer then the 92 , i was talking to my friend he told me its easier to go bolt on turbo on a 92 -94 then it is 95-2000. is that true or its the same thing, also is it better to get a 2jz-tt from a supra twin, with a 5 speed and more reliable then putting on a bolt on the 2jz-na and a 5 speed swap ?? im about to get one and im stuck between a 92 and a 98. i want to know, what you guys think before i pick the wrong year.
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if you want to go na-t, get a 92-95, if you want to swap a 2jz-gte, get any year.. If you want to swap a w58 5-speed, save yourself the hassel and just get a 92-97 with 5-speed already.
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I see them all the time actually, they aren't that rare. If you not willing to drive an hour or so to check out a car; you aren't a serious buyer.
I agree with 1SickSC, but it all depends on a few variables. If you transplant a an engine into the car, you are technically turning it into OBD1 or 2 respectively. A GTE and a NA-T GE can both produce great numbers if put together properly and maintained.
If you are looking for modest HP, say about 400~ I would go NA-T and try and find a chassis that already has a 5 Speed, as with a proper clutch setup and driving abilities it will hold up great (Unless you just happen to get a transmission that is destined to fail). If you end up going for higher numbers, neither the stock A/T or M/T can properly handle the torque that comes with anything higher than 440 RWHP. For that, you can look into a R154(5Spd) or a V160(6Spd) and it won't matter what chassis you buy really. You will save a few hundred on OEM parts, but this way you can have a better choice of aesthetically pleasing SC300s. There alot of things however that SC owners look for in an SC, such as Black Leather/ 97+ body upgrade. Pick your poison, really.
Thats my .02's.
I agree with 1SickSC, but it all depends on a few variables. If you transplant a an engine into the car, you are technically turning it into OBD1 or 2 respectively. A GTE and a NA-T GE can both produce great numbers if put together properly and maintained.
If you are looking for modest HP, say about 400~ I would go NA-T and try and find a chassis that already has a 5 Speed, as with a proper clutch setup and driving abilities it will hold up great (Unless you just happen to get a transmission that is destined to fail). If you end up going for higher numbers, neither the stock A/T or M/T can properly handle the torque that comes with anything higher than 440 RWHP. For that, you can look into a R154(5Spd) or a V160(6Spd) and it won't matter what chassis you buy really. You will save a few hundred on OEM parts, but this way you can have a better choice of aesthetically pleasing SC300s. There alot of things however that SC owners look for in an SC, such as Black Leather/ 97+ body upgrade. Pick your poison, really.
Thats my .02's.
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na-t can handle 700hp on stock internals with proper headgasket to bring down compression ratio and some apr studs, realistically tho, you will most likely make 400~500hp. If you want 1000 hp, i would get a 2jz-gte.
As for the 5-speed, its not that hard finding a 5-speed. although they only made 3800 5-speed in total, the hard thing is finding one in decent condition interior and exterior as well as mechanic wise. A lot of these cars have tons of miles, that doesnt mean its a bad car, but i would think before i turbo it, might want to check all the seals and gaskets and do a leak down test.
Think of it this way, if you cant find a 5-speed car... what really makes u think you can find the 5-speed parts? they all sell out the second they are put on the market
As for the 5-speed, its not that hard finding a 5-speed. although they only made 3800 5-speed in total, the hard thing is finding one in decent condition interior and exterior as well as mechanic wise. A lot of these cars have tons of miles, that doesnt mean its a bad car, but i would think before i turbo it, might want to check all the seals and gaskets and do a leak down test.
Think of it this way, if you cant find a 5-speed car... what really makes u think you can find the 5-speed parts? they all sell out the second they are put on the market
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not bad alot of good info, most i want out of it if anything is 400-450hp reliable, and i found a few 5speed sc300 i might look into, but yeah times almost up and i need to have a car before feb 11th so im trying to find out as much as i can before i get one, and so far the 98 sounds good but like i said homie tells me its hard to tune it cuz its obd2 and stuff after installing a bolt on turbo
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if you want 450hp get a sc300 5-speed and you are set.
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+1. As I said before, that number is modest compared to what these engines are capable of (GE and GTE alike) so you already have the transmission ready to go. From here, you customize your car to the extent of the funds available. For the most part, money will control your progress once you have all the mechanical stuff out of the way, as a lot of the rest is just shipping/shop time. The rest for you would be making it aesthetically pleasing. I have a 5 Speed that I want to make 400~HP, but I purchased a boost kit thats capable of higher numbers; so If I get that lucky deal on a V160 or such; I won't be dwarfing my progress for higher boost.
Get a 5 Speed in the best condition as you can, and just post back when you need more advice. There is a ton of good info on here for pretty much any setup of the SC.
Get a 5 Speed in the best condition as you can, and just post back when you need more advice. There is a ton of good info on here for pretty much any setup of the SC.
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i have a 97 that was auto swapped in r154 took like 2 hrs to install pedals and lines so personally i would not worry about finding one thats auto but my suggestion is spend the coin buy a r154 do it once and do it right ,, this tranny is sweet for turbo gearing within box is nice and long and tranny can hold upwards of 650 + before any signs of problems
just make sure to get a m/t ecu to keep timing right for its slightly diff between auto and manuel
i tried to use a 95 obd1 ecu and tune with map ecu man what a nightmare
using karman vortex tuning in hertz is a real pain in the ****
i put back in 97 obdII and tuning in volts was a lot easier and the tune was more precise the trick on obdII is keep the stock ecu happy in closed loop mode for cold start and idle and cruise ecu will leave open loop alone
my car made at 18lbs 472 rwhp with 550 inj and a t67dbb turbo with .68 a/r and a boostlogic 2.5 mm headgasket and arp head bolts trq to 88 ft lbs
if power goals are 350 to 550 use stock ge motor with either 2mm or 2.5 mm headgasket,headbolts , good sized turbo either 440 or 55o inject and piggyback fuel system going full gte is a waste of money at those levels
just make sure to get a m/t ecu to keep timing right for its slightly diff between auto and manuel
i tried to use a 95 obd1 ecu and tune with map ecu man what a nightmare
using karman vortex tuning in hertz is a real pain in the ****
i put back in 97 obdII and tuning in volts was a lot easier and the tune was more precise the trick on obdII is keep the stock ecu happy in closed loop mode for cold start and idle and cruise ecu will leave open loop alone
my car made at 18lbs 472 rwhp with 550 inj and a t67dbb turbo with .68 a/r and a boostlogic 2.5 mm headgasket and arp head bolts trq to 88 ft lbs
if power goals are 350 to 550 use stock ge motor with either 2mm or 2.5 mm headgasket,headbolts , good sized turbo either 440 or 55o inject and piggyback fuel system going full gte is a waste of money at those levels
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Is pretty hard to find an SC300 5spd ( at least in socal) and if you do find one, it will either be beat, have high *** miles or way overpriced. Trust me it me like 6months and 12 SC to look to find the right one ( none were 5spds) and I finally just got a 400
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Ok to my knowledge the W58 is the stock tranny for the 2jzge that came with some of the sc300.. The R154 came with the 1jz motors? I have a 2jzgte, i cant afford on buying a V160 for it cuz i have seen alot over 1800, but will a W58 bolt up to a 2JZGTE??? without any problems? same question for the R154.. My 2jzgte has came with an auto tranny and ecu but do you think the engine is going to act funny driving a 5spd when it came with a auto?