JDM Supra VVTi Engine / v161 / Differential Dropout Complete
#46
As I said. VVT-i (Variable Valve Timing with intelligence) is worth the disadvantages of ceramic turbos, smaller injectors, and the evil maf. Once built up it is pure advantage and surpasses the other engines.
#47
Interesting theory. Do you have any data to back that up? Perhaps some dyno runs to show a built up vvti making superior numbers compared to a non vvti example?
I keep hearing about how vvt-i is superior and perhaps it is, but I have never actually seen any superior dyno numbers from one compared to a non vvt-i.
It seems to me like the engine is more refined than the non vvt-i, and that when at or near stock levels it will make a little bit more power under the curve, and probably get slightly better fuel economy.
Once it is "built up" as you say, I would like to see the numbers that prove it is worth the trouble to swap over a non vvt-i variant.
I keep hearing about how vvt-i is superior and perhaps it is, but I have never actually seen any superior dyno numbers from one compared to a non vvt-i.
It seems to me like the engine is more refined than the non vvt-i, and that when at or near stock levels it will make a little bit more power under the curve, and probably get slightly better fuel economy.
Once it is "built up" as you say, I would like to see the numbers that prove it is worth the trouble to swap over a non vvt-i variant.
#48
Last edited by account2x; 02-28-11 at 06:55 AM.
#49
Mostly just cost. Also, sourcing parts and then of course the tuning. Nice video, but I know how it works. Like I said, some proof of any measurable, practical advantage would be nice. Just knowing there are more moving parts and complexity don't make it worth swapping to.
#50
http://alflash.com.ua/vvt.htm
With the exception of the valve cover, water pump neck & MAF sensor all the 2JZ-GTE VVT-i parts are available from either the USDM 2JZ-GTE or the USDM 2JZ-GE VVT-i.
With the exception of the valve cover, water pump neck & MAF sensor all the 2JZ-GTE VVT-i parts are available from either the USDM 2JZ-GTE or the USDM 2JZ-GE VVT-i.
#52
It is not theory. VVT-i engines do not have EGR systems because the operation truly works as stated.
http://www.3sgte.com/1JZGTE.htm
http://www.3sgte.com/1JZGTE.htm
#53
I have also read that tuning the VVTi can add another variable when shooting for high numbers. The non-vvti head and platform is overall easier to work with when tuning via ems, but I do not have first hand experience with this.
After reading so many horror storys of used JDM engine purchases I'm starting to lean towards the possibility of buying a brand new shortblock from toyota for 2134.00 plus shipping. Realizing that the JDM motor is probably tired and probably needs to be refreshed anyway, going to a brand new shortblock from the getgo might save me some time and money in the end.
I read through turbo's vvti build and he eventually had an oil pump failure which made him completely rebuild the short block .
Of course I'll be replacing all the maintenance items either way I go like waterpump, timing belt, gasket overhaul kit etc etc.
I've also decided that going to a single turbo setup from the start also might save some install headache as the stock twins are apparently ridiculous to work on when in the engine bay. A nice treadstone cast manifold for 300 bucks, and insert billet waterless turbo and I think I'll be better off.
After reading so many horror storys of used JDM engine purchases I'm starting to lean towards the possibility of buying a brand new shortblock from toyota for 2134.00 plus shipping. Realizing that the JDM motor is probably tired and probably needs to be refreshed anyway, going to a brand new shortblock from the getgo might save me some time and money in the end.
I read through turbo's vvti build and he eventually had an oil pump failure which made him completely rebuild the short block .
Of course I'll be replacing all the maintenance items either way I go like waterpump, timing belt, gasket overhaul kit etc etc.
I've also decided that going to a single turbo setup from the start also might save some install headache as the stock twins are apparently ridiculous to work on when in the engine bay. A nice treadstone cast manifold for 300 bucks, and insert billet waterless turbo and I think I'll be better off.
#54
I have heard that vvti is undesireable above stock boost levels cause there is a chance of the vvti cam moving under boost if oil pressure fluctuates or soomething like that, I dont remember exactly but I know something really bad results from that, which is why its usually disabled, even if you know how to tune for it.
Last edited by Ali SC3; 12-21-11 at 08:05 AM.
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