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Old 03-30-11, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by lexforlife
well said

thats exactly how mine is done with one addition.. my can also has a breather filter to equalize the pressure draw.. i pull more vac at idle with my agressive cams then those who are not cammed
You pull MORE vacuum at idle with cams? That's interesting...
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Originally Posted by stockhatch
You pull MORE vacuum at idle with cams? That's interesting...
simply means im promoting total ring seal with the pulling of vac
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Which catch cans come baffled? A quick google search yields no results of baffled cans, only unbaffled cans such as the Greddy etc. Do you have a pic your catch can setup lexforlife? Btw, I met you when I was in Miami with moosejaw aka Andew. You have a nice SC for sure.
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Originally Posted by lexforlife
simply means im promoting total ring seal with the pulling of vac
Can you splain that some more? I am lost. How are you pulling vac on the catch can side if it has a breather open to atmosphere?
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Originally Posted by stockhatch
Can you splain that some more? I am lost. How are you pulling vac on the catch can side if it has a breather open to atmosphere?
hard to explain put has to do with the speed of the air being pulled by intake side of turbo and how much actually gets vented .. ill see if i can find the article online from the drag racing world that lead me to this design.. even my tuner liked it alot and saw engine was more responsive since doing it
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Originally Posted by stockhatch
You pull MORE vacuum at idle with cams? That's interesting...
Most cam upgrades result in less Vacuum at idle per boost gauge, however this was on a totally different motor. Stock cams pulled around 15-17 vacuum, with cams it was more 10-11.
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Nice! I am so jealous of you guys who are local to Alpha. He gets numbers from the 2JZ that very few can match.
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I ran my setup without one, and ended up blowing out my front rear and cam seals. a simple $20, yes $20 setup fixxed that. Now I'm about to put my whole setup back in after I have pulled the motor, cleaned and replaced all the seals, etc.

Just do the catch can, it's worth it.

Jeff
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Originally Posted by HiPSI
Most cam upgrades result in less Vacuum at idle per boost gauge, however this was on a totally different motor. Stock cams pulled around 15-17 vacuum, with cams it was more 10-11.
i actually pull about 19 inch of vac at idle
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I pull 19-20in at idle with stock cams just FYI. Most aftermarket cams pull less due to overlap obviously, but I wonder if having no PCV through the intake has anything to do with the higher vacuum numbers. Since PCV is a controlled vacuum leak, maybe having no accommodation for it leads to more vacuum? Oh, and degreeing the cams can get rid of the overlap and bring vacuum numbers right back up as well.
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Originally Posted by stockhatch
I pull 19-20in at idle with stock cams just FYI. Most aftermarket cams pull less due to overlap obviously, but I wonder if having no PCV through the intake has anything to do with the higher vacuum numbers. Since PCV is a controlled vacuum leak, maybe having no accommodation for it leads to more vacuum? Oh, and degreeing the cams can get rid of the overlap and bring vacuum numbers right back up as well.
my cams were never degree'ed i should be pulling only around 15 ish in vac but since doing any with pcv and routing to intake and using breather filter as well pulling almost 20 in at idle
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Gotcha, sounds good.
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Originally Posted by lexforlife
my cams were never degree'ed i should be pulling only around 15 ish in vac but since doing any with pcv and routing to intake and using breather filter as well pulling almost 20 in at idle
do you mind posting pictures of your setup?
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Originally Posted by jtamulis
I ran my setup without one, and ended up blowing out my front rear and cam seals. a simple $20, yes $20 setup fixxed that. Now I'm about to put my whole setup back in after I have pulled the motor, cleaned and replaced all the seals, etc.

Just do the catch can, it's worth it.

Jeff
Thats how I feel too
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Originally Posted by jtamulis
I ran my setup without one, and ended up blowing out my front rear and cam seals. a simple $20, yes $20 setup fixxed that. Now I'm about to put my whole setup back in after I have pulled the motor, cleaned and replaced all the seals, etc.

Just do the catch can, it's worth it.

Jeff
How much rwhp were you putting down to blow the seals out?
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