Looking to swap r154 to 98 sc400 1uz-fe vvti
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A650E/3.77
1st 12.66
2nd 8.22
3rd 5.37
1st gear will be slightly taller - less chance of wheel spin from a stop.
2nd and 3rd gear will be shorter - faster.
You'll be putting power down to both wheels - a HUGE upgrade.
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Well the whole purpose of the manual swap is not to be automatic lol. I understand if you like automatics, but for some drivers it just isn't the way. As for the auto with an auto TT diff being faster, you can't say that with 100% confidence. You can't be so sure it will be faster with a little shorter 2nd and 3rd. I don't think you have seen just how much drive-train loss really exists through these autos.The TT diffs aren't cheap either. They are definitely a prime upgrade for either scenario though. However, whether either is faster by a small margin is not the point. If somebody really wants to be fast with this engine it needs boost which would typically be accompanied by reducing overall gear ratio anyways. Regardless, It's about fun for people who enjoy this. Most people on this site are more worried about numbers and wheel fitment it seems, but there are some of us who live life differently in all aspects. I rock climb, surf, and drive my car hard, all as much as possible. An automatic V8 coupe just doesn't fit into my lifestyle. As long as my car runs 14's and under I can't be too sad about its straight line performance, but we will always crave more.
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I bought it after. I didn't even drive it until it was manual lol. The LSD only outweighs the drive-train loss if you're putting out so much torque that you're losing traction in multiple gears which is not the case with a stock 1UZ of any trim (1st gear only but not so much on a sticky track even)...unless of course you're running heller-flush fitment with baby tires or some cheap *** suspension which affords you no traction (which many people are doing both of). That is only straight line of course, but the LSD will make the car much better and more fun on some back roads or a track. So I support either/both mods. It comes down to what a person desires. You can argue numbers to win all day but what are you truly winning? I say it is completely subjective and you say it is a cut/dry answer.
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Three issues
a650e
1st 3.357
2nd 2.180
3rd 1.424
w58
1st 3.285:1
2nd 1.894:1
3rd 1.275:1
It makes sense the 4spd guys would want to swap in a 5spd manual but the a650e is more aggressive than the w58. I understand drivetrain loss from an automatic will be greater even so I would place money on a w58 swap being slower.
A 1UZ-FE VVT-i dynos around 240 stock and 270 with intake and exhaust. I do not believe you will be able to achieve 400hp without blowing up the engine.
Transmissions are rated by torque and not horsepower. A 1JZ is going to make less than torque than a 2JZ and a 1UZ more than a 2JZ. You will kill the transmission faster than the JZ guys would.
Lastly I have an almost complete W58 swap.
a650e
1st 3.357
2nd 2.180
3rd 1.424
w58
1st 3.285:1
2nd 1.894:1
3rd 1.275:1
It makes sense the 4spd guys would want to swap in a 5spd manual but the a650e is more aggressive than the w58. I understand drivetrain loss from an automatic will be greater even so I would place money on a w58 swap being slower.
A 1UZ-FE VVT-i dynos around 240 stock and 270 with intake and exhaust. I do not believe you will be able to achieve 400hp without blowing up the engine.
Transmissions are rated by torque and not horsepower. A 1JZ is going to make less than torque than a 2JZ and a 1UZ more than a 2JZ. You will kill the transmission faster than the JZ guys would.
Lastly I have an almost complete W58 swap.
And yes I only want to go manual. I'm sick of auto and even if I were to keep the auto I can easily up the hp while retaining the stock box. The a650e holds about 400whp before you need a valve body upgrade. I'm quite certain that even if I retain the rear end for the a650e, the 5spd swap would still be on top. And when I do eventually swap in a different pumpkin that's more suitable for the w58, it'll be even quicker.
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