durtysc300

thanks for all the input! I think I'm going to do the maintenance and build a ge block for a turbo setup

spoolxexo

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This is probably the first time I am going to agree with Lex.

The GTE block has squirters and low compression, and the GE has no squirters and high compression.

Aside from that, they are the same lower end. Same Iron block, Same rods, same forged crank.

When you install Forged pistons, oil squirters are not needed. They are designed to cool cast pistons to keep them from cracking.

I have built a handful of race 4g63's using N/A Blocks without the squirters and Ross forged pistons in 2006 4 out of 5 making more than 600awhp. They are still racing today.

This is a common practice with Japanese manufacturers. Make one design, and modify slightly to withstand boost from the same platform, without re-designing a separate engine.

If you install Forged pistons on a GE, the lower end will become as strong as a GTE with Cast pistons and oil cooling.

This means, they are basically the same strength down low, but as Lex mentioned the head design is cruder.

That doesn't mean it still can't be a monster!

account2x

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Same replay I was going to give lexforlife.

Define hard? 1 lap at the track with constant oil temps above 200C and engine experiencing full boost prolonged is hard, much much more hard then 10 seconds or less at the drag strip.

As I said previous without the squirters the GE block is inferior. Whether the loss is something one cares about is an entirely different question.

lexforlife

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let me define hard .. 4+ years of abuse by me , over 30k miles of boosting ( has 123k on clock)and when alpha tunes me he tunes for distance .my pulls are usually 3-4 miles long in full tilt.. hes a member here , ask him yourself..motor still has perfect compression and runs smooth and strong

btw my car he never seen a drag strip although it has been at the mile run so i guess that also defines hard

plex

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We can go back and forth but a built GE block is not inferior to a built GTE. So you're saying a built GTE block with forged pistons will outlast a built GE blocks with same setup just because it has oil squirters? Oh wait those built GTE blocks have aftermarket pistons so what's point of oil squirters.

I have a GTE in my car now and will be picking up a GE block to build a bottom end to handle 1000hp. I can sell you my GTE block with the pretty oil squirters then

account2x

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You don't have 30,000 miles of full boost brutality on the block.

Yes

Squirters squirt oil onto the pistons for cooling. An independent function from the pistons job to absorb the brunt of the combustion process.

99SC42

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We have a winner here seriously and i think the 2jzge price just went up where is Aliga? haha

Cherplex,

what oil squirters the ones that are non fonctional with aftermarket pistons ok then can the gte be better than ge when they are both equip with aftermarket pistions ? it doesn't make any sense .. does it ?

plex

iTrader: (11)

OP good luck with your built GE motor. Regardless of what was posted here those that truly know, know that a built GE motor is not inferior to a built GTE. If that's the case then a stock GE motor is inferior to a GTE motor in regards to handling power

TLDriver

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This made me laugh.. if the oil squirters were a huge difference in performance or reliability, why don't they design them in the stroker kit on the 3.0 GTE or GE? Because when you get a 3.4L stroker kit for the gte, the squirters are eliminated. This is just my thoughts on aftermarket reasoning. Plus how many times does the ge block have to prove itself that it can handle some serious power without the oil squirters before it's considered and equal to the gte block?

spoolxexo

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This is because he has never built an engine, let alone swapped one.

I hate the fact you use the word "Inferior" just to sound intelligent.

Toyota doesn't skimp anywhere. So just because one JZ is turbo, and one JZ is not, doesn't make it "Inferior".

"Marginally less potential" is a better term to use.

You wanna see what a GTE with Forged pistons and no squirters for reliability will do?

This is one of the homies cars, quite a few years ago. You guys are new to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w93Uh...eature=feedlik

In case you weren't counting, that's 2 full minutes of WOT at 25lbs of T88. 800hp.

The thing comes right back down to idle after beating the shyte out of it.

It has no squirters, stock rods, stock crank, and forged 8.5:1 JE's.

Still wanna argue about things you "Know"?

plex

iTrader: (11)

^^^ I remember seeing that video a few years back it's also at the end of a supra compilation video.

spoolxexo

iTrader: (4)

Yup, that was taken at a NAPA burnout contest, right here in the Great state of Maine.

The point is, Squirters were implemented by the bean counters, to combat people:

-Running 87 octane or other low quality gas
-Never changing the oil
-Shutting the car off immediately after putting a big load on it
-Generally abusing the car

Go build an engine already OP!

durtysc300

Haha i just have to find the money! I only want to run around 500 or so wheel horsepower..just so I can outrun my girlfriends 2010 SS camaro :P..im thinking of running GTE pistons, like a JE or CP, .020 over..reground crank..now i have a couple questions..
DO i run a GE head with a GTE gasket? both sets of pistons are rated at a 8.5-9.0:1 CR with a dish top..
Should I run a GE head with a GE gasket? Considering the pistons are dished?
GTE head with a GTE gasket?
GTE head with a GE gasket?
I'll need .020 oversized rings too right?

lexforlife

iTrader: (7)

to do it the right way get oe spec'd ge pistons or just use oem ge if you are not going over sized.. its always a better idea to avoid going .20 or .40 over . going gte spec piston on ge head will lower compression below 8:5:1 and make it more prone to detonation , this route destroys intended squish and quench within combustion chamber.

are you running a standalone , if so even better for the higher compression

durtysc300

I think I would rather go stand alone than piggyback so I have more tuning capabilities