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Alright, so I tested out the EGR modulator and it works. The EGR works too..It's something else...I'm going to take off the Y pipe and give that a clean. Any other suggestions????
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some people lower the ignition timing to pass the no, but that causes the HC and the CO to be significantly higher, and is a bandaid practice at the best. Ill give an example, a turbo sc300 running healthy with no egr whatsoever can easily have numbers lower than the max with a working o2 sensor and a working cat, obviously wont pass visual but that being said, unless the egr is faulty where its causing more emissions, your egr simply not working is not going to cause all your numbers to skyrocket. while emissions stuff helps, 90% of the battle is having a clean running engine and a working catalyst.
To me it seems like your cat is not catalyzing everything, see that 0.2 on the oxygen, even though there is no max for it, it tells you that you are not catalyzing everything, it should be a 0. It is also entirely possible you have a bad o2 sensor from the no being so high even with the ignition timing backed off.
generally when all your numbers are high, and you are on your original old cat, thats a big part of the problem. no amount of additives is going to get your numbers down enough if your cat is bad. Im not saying 100% your cat is bad but it is either that or an o2 sensor causing a bad fuel mixture that the cat can't handle, or even both. if your o2's are old there they should be replaced anyways.
To me it seems like your cat is not catalyzing everything, see that 0.2 on the oxygen, even though there is no max for it, it tells you that you are not catalyzing everything, it should be a 0. It is also entirely possible you have a bad o2 sensor from the no being so high even with the ignition timing backed off.
generally when all your numbers are high, and you are on your original old cat, thats a big part of the problem. no amount of additives is going to get your numbers down enough if your cat is bad. Im not saying 100% your cat is bad but it is either that or an o2 sensor causing a bad fuel mixture that the cat can't handle, or even both. if your o2's are old there they should be replaced anyways.
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The EGR may be operating right but if you do not have sufficient vacuum, it will be as good as nothing. Make sure you do not have any damaged vacuum lines, and that the lines are hooked up correctly to your EGR components(EGR modulator/EGR valve). I seen this simple fix overlooked all the time.
How many miles are on your car? You may need a new CAT as Ali mentioned as well
How many miles are on your car? You may need a new CAT as Ali mentioned as well
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How can the cat go bad within a 3 month time span? and it's only be driven about 2000 miles since the last test. also another thing is that if the o2 sensors are bad, wouldn't it throw a CEL?
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The cat has 177K on it. I'm pretty sure its the original. The weird thing is that the previous owner smogged it 3 months before and it passed the NO. He failed the timing so they wouldnt let him pass smog. I think he had the engine swapped due to the other engine having a bad head gasket. So I go in and smog the car with this new engine and I found out it fails. I'm sure the cat is good. Something else is causing the high NO. My car isnt throwing any CEL's but then again I haven't really drove it alot because the car isnt registered under my name yet so I cant get it insured.
do you know how old are your oxygen sensors are? If not you should replace them, the ones for our cars are a good deal online and its not that hard of a job, I would suggest starting there.
There is a possibility that alone may be enough if it happened recently.
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I believe its a one wire sensor.. I'll look into it more. but right now the car is in the shop. I'm having my mechanic look at it. Thanks for all of your advice and I will update when I find out my answer.
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Well, it was just the damn EGR. The port on the intake manifold wasn't cleaned out good enough so my mechanic took off the y pipe and gave it a good cleaning. It passed real good. Thanks everyone for their advice, couldn't of done it without you guys.
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