Hx35 Turbo Drain Routing Help?
#16
I dont think running a restrictor will create problems. a -4 will totally work on quality turbo's but is not ideal. Im just saying you could easily have a few hundred rpm's faster spool if you reduced your line size.
And ball bearing turbo's need a restrictor cheftank, I think you got it bacwards.
most garrett BB turbos take like a .035 restrictor and Journal bearing you can go from .060 all the way up to a -3an line or a 4an line if you think your seals will make it.
straight from Holset repair manual.
http://www.dieselusa.com/productinfo/HY35W.pdf
14. The minimum oil pressure when the engine is on load must be 210 kPa (30 lbf/in2). Maximum
permissible operating pressure is 500 kPa (72 lbf/in2) although 600 kPa (88 lbf/in2) is permitted during
cold start up. Under idling conditions pressure should not fall below 70 kPa (10 lbf/in2).
15. Recommended oil flows for the turbochargers are 2 litre/min at idle and 3 litre/min above maximum
torque speed.
And ball bearing turbo's need a restrictor cheftank, I think you got it bacwards.
most garrett BB turbos take like a .035 restrictor and Journal bearing you can go from .060 all the way up to a -3an line or a 4an line if you think your seals will make it.
straight from Holset repair manual.
http://www.dieselusa.com/productinfo/HY35W.pdf
14. The minimum oil pressure when the engine is on load must be 210 kPa (30 lbf/in2). Maximum
permissible operating pressure is 500 kPa (72 lbf/in2) although 600 kPa (88 lbf/in2) is permitted during
cold start up. Under idling conditions pressure should not fall below 70 kPa (10 lbf/in2).
15. Recommended oil flows for the turbochargers are 2 litre/min at idle and 3 litre/min above maximum
torque speed.
Last edited by Ali SC3; 01-09-13 at 12:24 PM.
#18
. But im running the driftmotion kit so it has a machined inlet flange and -4an line so the inlet pressure will probly be different than a stock dodge fitting. Im just wondering if ill be good to drive the thing for a short period of time till i can get it to work so i can do it properly and tap in and gauge my oil pressure till i get the desired oil pressure for turbo. Cause ive read that 1jz pumps about 90 psi approx WOT correct? And as previously stated by Ali SC3, the turbo should only achieve 88psi max at cold start and 72psi max during operation. So i'd figure id need a small restrictor like a .02 or something. I want to make sure this things stays healthy and is running to its liking (As per manufacturing specs) cause ive seen what these turbos can do and how long they'll do it on a big 12 and 24 valve cummins so i wanna do it once and do it right.
And as per the drain line. I'm going to run it along the front side of the manifold like previously shown and with a DEI (Fireproof) sleeve on it as suggested.
Thanks for the help guys. Keep it coming haha
And as per the drain line. I'm going to run it along the front side of the manifold like previously shown and with a DEI (Fireproof) sleeve on it as suggested.
Thanks for the help guys. Keep it coming haha
#20
too much restriction is worse than no restriction and .02 is too small for most any turbo.
IF you have a Journal bearing and want to be on the safe side its simple, use a -3an line alone (what I run and recommend), or use a very large opening restrictor on a 4AN line, like a .065 or larger.
IF you have a BB turbo they are much more sensitive about restrictor size and usually people use a .035 or .040
Sometimes BB turbo's will come with the restrictor fitting already on there so be sure to double check.
check out ATP turbo they have the most common turbo fittings and lines, and you will notice there are only 2 pre drilled restrictors on their whole site.
a .035 for BB and a .065 for journal bearing.
IF you have a Journal bearing and want to be on the safe side its simple, use a -3an line alone (what I run and recommend), or use a very large opening restrictor on a 4AN line, like a .065 or larger.
IF you have a BB turbo they are much more sensitive about restrictor size and usually people use a .035 or .040
Sometimes BB turbo's will come with the restrictor fitting already on there so be sure to double check.
check out ATP turbo they have the most common turbo fittings and lines, and you will notice there are only 2 pre drilled restrictors on their whole site.
a .035 for BB and a .065 for journal bearing.
Last edited by Ali SC3; 01-10-13 at 10:49 AM.
#21
too much restriction is worse than no restriction and .02 is too small for most any turbo.
IF you have a Journal bearing and want to be on the safe side its simple, use a -3an line alone (what I run and recommend), or use a very large opening restrictor on a 4AN line, like a .065 or larger.
IF you have a BB turbo they are much more sensitive about restrictor size and usually people use a .035 or .040
Sometimes BB turbo's will come with the restrictor fitting already on there so be sure to double check.
check out ATP turbo they have the most common turbo fittings and lines, and you will notice there are only 2 pre drilled restrictors on their whole site.
a .035 for BB and a .065 for journal bearing.
IF you have a Journal bearing and want to be on the safe side its simple, use a -3an line alone (what I run and recommend), or use a very large opening restrictor on a 4AN line, like a .065 or larger.
IF you have a BB turbo they are much more sensitive about restrictor size and usually people use a .035 or .040
Sometimes BB turbo's will come with the restrictor fitting already on there so be sure to double check.
check out ATP turbo they have the most common turbo fittings and lines, and you will notice there are only 2 pre drilled restrictors on their whole site.
a .035 for BB and a .065 for journal bearing.
But before i do so i have a quick question. The driftmotion kit comes with an inlet flange for the turbo and it adapts to a -4an line. Looking at it, the orifices that the oil will pass through look rather small and restrictive.
Could this flange and its passage holes being as small as they are, be enough to restrict the amount of oil going into the turbo? Cause i know a lot of people with the holsets will just run the dodge fitting off the turbo instead. But id like to use this flange.
#23
why would u guys tell him to run a restrictor when vrank just said not to. vrank has 2 cars running on holsets with no restrictor and has no problems. take it from the person who is actually running a holset. dont run a restrictor
#24
Yeah after re reading what i said, .02 doesn't make sense. But thanks a lot Ali for the info. I have the -4an line setup and everything already so im going to stick with it and just run a restrictor of around .065 as you mentioned.
But before i do so i have a quick question. The driftmotion kit comes with an inlet flange for the turbo and it adapts to a -4an line. Looking at it, the orifices that the oil will pass through look rather small and restrictive.
Could this flange and its passage holes being as small as they are, be enough to restrict the amount of oil going into the turbo? Cause i know a lot of people with the holsets will just run the dodge fitting off the turbo instead. But id like to use this flange.
But before i do so i have a quick question. The driftmotion kit comes with an inlet flange for the turbo and it adapts to a -4an line. Looking at it, the orifices that the oil will pass through look rather small and restrictive.
Could this flange and its passage holes being as small as they are, be enough to restrict the amount of oil going into the turbo? Cause i know a lot of people with the holsets will just run the dodge fitting off the turbo instead. But id like to use this flange.
Maybe ask the people you bought the kit from and see what they say, they may know if its a restricted or unrestricted flange.
For the record generally I would recommend going with a 3an or a .100 fitting, which are supposed to be about the same size.
0.065 should be fine but apparently Holsets are oil happy turbo's so stay a little larger but 4an unrestricted is huge.
Last edited by Ali SC3; 01-12-13 at 10:31 AM.
#25
that flange looks like it could have a built in restrictor hopefully around the 3an territory, hard to tell with just pictures, just go ahead and use only that to be on the safe side I don't want anyone blowing their turbo since I seem to be in the minority of running a 3an line or restrictor here.
Maybe ask the people you bought the kit from and see what they say, they may know if its a restricted or unrestricted flange.
For the record generally I would recommend going with a 3an or a .100 fitting, which are supposed to be about the same size.
0.065 should be fine but apparently Holsets are oil happy turbo's so stay a little larger but 4an unrestricted is huge.
Maybe ask the people you bought the kit from and see what they say, they may know if its a restricted or unrestricted flange.
For the record generally I would recommend going with a 3an or a .100 fitting, which are supposed to be about the same size.
0.065 should be fine but apparently Holsets are oil happy turbo's so stay a little larger but 4an unrestricted is huge.
Thanks for the help guys. I'll put up my build thread here eventually when i'm not so lazy and youll see how it goes when its done and if it works.
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