How to make SC fast?
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I agree.. 0-60 has to be in the 5.5 or lower class to be quick in a "street" car at least. 4.9 is much better in my opinion. I had a turbo Eagle Talon AWD, that ran 12.0's in the 1/4, and 1.6 sec 60' at the track, on street tires, meaning that I could probably do a 0-60 in the low 4's to high 3's.
I'd like to do a 4.5 in the LexusSC300, so we will see.
I'd like to do a 4.5 in the LexusSC300, so we will see.
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IMO any "stock" car that hits 0-60 in the sub 7 second range isn't slow. Especially if it's a sedan like the Nissan Maxima for instance (6.4). For a sports car I agree that the time would have to be in the 5 point range or lower, minimum. Motor Trend recently tested an Altima that hit 0-60 in 5.95 secs, go figure.
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Unless you're drag racing, the quality of your driving that will make alot of the deficit of the SC4 in street races. I have kill stories of Carreras and Supra Turbos, not because my car is faster, but because I was able to take advantage of the quicker downshifts of the automatic transmission. This along with reasonable V8 torque, will give you a very competitive car when racing on the rolling start.
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Nobody mentions the electric fan conversion for cheap hp gains--intellexual.net says that mod frees up 20-30 hp. Anybody tried it? Results? Also Injen intake?
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uh.... no
however I know for a fact that the camry is 7.1
Now that is complete bull******. the new camry V6s do 0-60 in the mid 8s, and in fact, a magazine in britain rates them at 0-60 in 9.1... (perhaps the brits dont like to do brake-launches?) SO believe me, they are pretty quick, but no way in hell can they match an SC, 300 or otherwise.... I mean cmon!! they only have 194 horsepower... thats NOTHING!
I expect many replies to this post, most likely against my opinions.
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yeah ok, chief
Edmunds does not list acceleration specs for the camry, all it says is "if your looking for muscle/sporting edge, you best go for a supercharged accord or altima" which means, "no, it cannot do 0-60 in 7.1 seconds." The maxima does 0-60 in 6.5 and it has 265 horsepower. TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE. The camry has 192 (weve been overestimating it saying it was 194, its actually even weaker) Do you realize what a difference 73 horsepower makes? Much, much more than 0.5 seconds especially when the camry weighs even more than the maxima. This ends here. I'll never understand why toyota dropped the horsepower rating of the new 3.0 in the camry and camry solara's down from 200 to 192, but all I can say is, the only reason why maximas and supercharged accords dont completely own the market is because of people who have no aspiration for ever going fast or have any idea of what "sporty" means still exist.
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I'm talking about the 2000 camry, not a new one - they're ****.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/toy...nav..6.Toyota*
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/toy...nav..6.Toyota*
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yeah ok
I read the link.
Its just not possible.... their track must run on a downhill grade or something... thats just too fast for a camry.
I have driven a brand new '94 camry V6 sedan in 1994.... I was actually rather impressed, I think it did 0-60 in the early 9s... which still isnt all that slow to begin with. I'll admit the 98-01 camrys could probably do it in the early 8s but thats it. The new camrys and ES's arent as good, I'll agree with you on that. Can you find the reason why Toyota dropped the HP on their "02-now" twin-cam V6?
Its just not possible.... their track must run on a downhill grade or something... thats just too fast for a camry.
I have driven a brand new '94 camry V6 sedan in 1994.... I was actually rather impressed, I think it did 0-60 in the early 9s... which still isnt all that slow to begin with. I'll admit the 98-01 camrys could probably do it in the early 8s but thats it. The new camrys and ES's arent as good, I'll agree with you on that. Can you find the reason why Toyota dropped the HP on their "02-now" twin-cam V6?
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http://www.epinions.com/auto-review-...4-38C51C72-bd1
Another site with the same number. The camry weighs in less then the Sc300 and only has around 30 HP less - the weight difference make then almost comprable in acceleration.
Another site with the same number. The camry weighs in less then the Sc300 and only has around 30 HP less - the weight difference make then almost comprable in acceleration.
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Actually i guess you're right, I found a few other websites with the number 8.7 for the V6 sedan. I wonder why the confusion - especially on edmunds, they're usually pretty reputable.
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buy exhaust, intake, AFC, and nitrous and run like a 75 or 100 shot from a wet kit
don't waste your money on an expensive aftermarket exhause like the JIC or greddy; if you're trying to get by on saving money; get a nice custom setup; buy 5 or 6 2.5" mandrel u-bends; 2 mufflers and take them to a shop and have that shop fabricate you a dual exhaust... you can get this done for under $500 total i'm sure...
intake involves a K&N style filter and a MAF adapter from importtoys.com
nitrous would be good from the NOS company... and definitely run a wet kit... 75 shot or maybe 100shot...
and get an AFC and either get it on a dyno to tune or run settings from someone on this board with similar setups...
with a 75 shot and these mods i'd imagine 250rwhp would be definitely within your capabilities...
there are other options if you wanna be cheap; ideas i've got; but i've never tried em...
you could in theory get a used CT26 turbo from MKIII turbo Supra on your car with nearly all the needed mods for under $1500... (manifold would use the stock two-piece and route them into a splayed connector into a turbine inlet flange) you'd prolly make somewhere around 250-280rwhp on stock compression or 300rwhp on lowered compression
a lot of people will tell you that going cheap gets you what you pay for... and they are usually right, especially if you don't know what you're doing... but sadly most of the people that say this in the 2jz-ge world always pay someone else to do the work
in this case, going cheap gets you 250-300rwhp... going with more money gets you 400+ and in the end; if you wanna hang with the big boys; you gotta pay to play
don't waste your money on an expensive aftermarket exhause like the JIC or greddy; if you're trying to get by on saving money; get a nice custom setup; buy 5 or 6 2.5" mandrel u-bends; 2 mufflers and take them to a shop and have that shop fabricate you a dual exhaust... you can get this done for under $500 total i'm sure...
intake involves a K&N style filter and a MAF adapter from importtoys.com
nitrous would be good from the NOS company... and definitely run a wet kit... 75 shot or maybe 100shot...
and get an AFC and either get it on a dyno to tune or run settings from someone on this board with similar setups...
with a 75 shot and these mods i'd imagine 250rwhp would be definitely within your capabilities...
there are other options if you wanna be cheap; ideas i've got; but i've never tried em...
you could in theory get a used CT26 turbo from MKIII turbo Supra on your car with nearly all the needed mods for under $1500... (manifold would use the stock two-piece and route them into a splayed connector into a turbine inlet flange) you'd prolly make somewhere around 250-280rwhp on stock compression or 300rwhp on lowered compression
a lot of people will tell you that going cheap gets you what you pay for... and they are usually right, especially if you don't know what you're doing... but sadly most of the people that say this in the 2jz-ge world always pay someone else to do the work
in this case, going cheap gets you 250-300rwhp... going with more money gets you 400+ and in the end; if you wanna hang with the big boys; you gotta pay to play
Last edited by Bean; 04-28-03 at 09:08 PM.
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true
It's all good... I just wish people would lose the "anything slower than a ferrari is too slow" mentality. 0-60 in anything less than 8 seconds is a quick car. A stock camry doing 0-60 in 7.1 seconds is just not believable unless it was on a serious downhill grade and was completely gutted, and even then I dont think it would be possible. A 300 horsepower cadillac STS does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds...a camry would never beat that.
Statistically only 5% of cars on the road today are capable of sub-7 second 0-60 times...so we do pretty well for ourselves.
A camry keeping up with an SC400...
Statistically only 5% of cars on the road today are capable of sub-7 second 0-60 times...so we do pretty well for ourselves.
A camry keeping up with an SC400...
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I am really floored about what I have read int his thread. Honestly the SC300, 400, Camry, or whatever you guys are discussing are all slow cars. Anything over 5.0 seconds is considered slow. Take the Lex coupes for what they are; luxury sport coupes! These cars were not made to be 1/4 mile demons. They are highway anything above 3500rpm cruisers. Take it from a guy who owns fast cars and just bought a 93SC300 slow mobile. My Supra would run circles around the SC300. You also have to remember that this is a 3500+ pound vehicle, so 0 to 60 is not going to impress the true enthusiast. I myself was shocked at how smooth the SC300 runs and the nice little low end torque it had, but I am a in-line six guy and know what these engines are capable of. This is why I am turbo charging my SC300 because it is what it is a slow mobile until you add boost. Boost is the only equilizer when talking about wanting my power for the SC300. The SC400 is pretty much out of luck unless you want to shell out tons of money for a supercharger kit and still get your but handed to you by most running 450rwhp or better. With my Sp63 and 75 shot I will be well into the 550 range, and my main targets will be Vipers and Z06's respectively.