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Great news man. Gapping the plugs down to .024" appears to have fixed the issue. It was chilly out this morning (45ish), and back to back second gear pulls showed that AFR was 11.2-11.5 and boost was 13psi. I'd expect it to be a bit richer and lower boost this afternoon at 65-70 degrees. At this point I'm sticking with 93 octane fuel and may take a buddy for a ride to incrementally increase the boost controller settings to the happy medium there, but I really don't want to run more boost than this, especially with the W58 and centerforce clutch. Its days are numbered if I am doing 3rd and 4th gear pulls anyway, which I'll probably try to avoid just to prolong longevity while I save for the AR-5 swap.
Thanks again! Feels great to have all the bugs sorted out on this finally.
Thanks again! Feels great to have all the bugs sorted out on this finally.
I just saw someone list a build on a SC3 online in my area with a nearly identical setup to mine with GE w/ TT HG and studs, xs intake, injectors, pump, r154. He had a -6 feed and flex fuel on e85 and produced about 610hp/595tq. was great to see this combo could be powerful someday!
the goal is to beat my friends 500+hp drag chevelle at a local event haha
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Yeah I would run the best gas you can get at this point, you don't have a lot of wiggle room for bad fuel at that compression.
Your AFR and everything sound good so far, just make sure it stays richer than 12.
Once you get the MBC dialed in that boost will hit sooner too.
Silent, as you learned that is the usual recipe for na-t, and when you are ready for E85 its just a fuel system and tune away.
You should be able to get close to 500 on pump, but I dunno about beating a 500+hp drag chevelle unless you have everything dialed in and its at least a quarter mile race
Your AFR and everything sound good so far, just make sure it stays richer than 12.
Once you get the MBC dialed in that boost will hit sooner too.
Silent, as you learned that is the usual recipe for na-t, and when you are ready for E85 its just a fuel system and tune away.
You should be able to get close to 500 on pump, but I dunno about beating a 500+hp drag chevelle unless you have everything dialed in and its at least a quarter mile race
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Yeah I would run the best gas you can get at this point, you don't have a lot of wiggle room for bad fuel at that compression.
Your AFR and everything sound good so far, just make sure it stays richer than 12.
Once you get the MBC dialed in that boost will hit sooner too.
Silent, as you learned that is the usual recipe for na-t, and when you are ready for E85 its just a fuel system and tune away.
You should be able to get close to 500 on pump, but I dunno about beating a 500+hp drag chevelle unless you have everything dialed in and its at least a quarter mile race![EEK!](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/eek1.gif)
Your AFR and everything sound good so far, just make sure it stays richer than 12.
Once you get the MBC dialed in that boost will hit sooner too.
Silent, as you learned that is the usual recipe for na-t, and when you are ready for E85 its just a fuel system and tune away.
You should be able to get close to 500 on pump, but I dunno about beating a 500+hp drag chevelle unless you have everything dialed in and its at least a quarter mile race
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Probably not without a lot more stuff like antilag, lsd, and some meaty tires. If it's set up for drag though (powerglide/th400), it's probably geared up and won't do that well toward the end, which is where the 2JZ shines once you hit your powerband in 4th (3rd is ok too).
You may be able to wind it out and maybe beat him.. unless you have to make another shift. Once you make a few runs you will have a better feel for what rear end ratio you want. With the R154 I would go lower on the rear end so you can finish that run in 4th.
You may be able to wind it out and maybe beat him.. unless you have to make another shift. Once you make a few runs you will have a better feel for what rear end ratio you want. With the R154 I would go lower on the rear end so you can finish that run in 4th.
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I'm getting my base tune ready for first start. I am questioning what the fuel pressure will be with the stock regulator with upgraded pump and injectors. Should i expect like 43.5 still?
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Just be sure not to go too aggressive on the timing until you get it tuned. Na-t even with a tt headgasket won't like as much timing in the lower load areas compared to a gte engine. try and find a na-t basemap if possible or pull some timing out of a gte one.
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So I got my injectors and walbro in the tank, primes up and no leaks front to back but when I key off it sounds like the pump is turning on and off repeatedly, ideas? Is it just because I can't hear the stock one and the big boy is loudish?
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The high flow pumps are definately louder and you will hear them unless you have a full tank of gas, which you will still hear some of it.
The ecu turns on the pump unless you changed the wiring, so if you have the new ecu plugged in then check the fuel pump output settings to make sure its setup right and not cycling it a bunch.
Generally it should prime and then stop until you start the car up if its on stock like wiring and connected to an ecu doing that. some ecu's don't prime, there are usually settings you can change.
The ecu turns on the pump unless you changed the wiring, so if you have the new ecu plugged in then check the fuel pump output settings to make sure its setup right and not cycling it a bunch.
Generally it should prime and then stop until you start the car up if its on stock like wiring and connected to an ecu doing that. some ecu's don't prime, there are usually settings you can change.
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The high flow pumps are definately louder and you will hear them unless you have a full tank of gas, which you will still hear some of it.
The ecu turns on the pump unless you changed the wiring, so if you have the new ecu plugged in then check the fuel pump output settings to make sure its setup right and not cycling it a bunch.
Generally it should prime and then stop until you start the car up if its on stock like wiring and connected to an ecu doing that. some ecu's don't prime, there are usually settings you can change.
The ecu turns on the pump unless you changed the wiring, so if you have the new ecu plugged in then check the fuel pump output settings to make sure its setup right and not cycling it a bunch.
Generally it should prime and then stop until you start the car up if its on stock like wiring and connected to an ecu doing that. some ecu's don't prime, there are usually settings you can change.
Also the plug and play adapter has it wired up so 12v switched and constant are paired to the 12v switched so when i key off the ecu has no power.
The symptom is identical to when i missed a ground up front, i wonder if i missed the second under intake ground, i'll review later when i get back to it but as you said the ecu should be turning on the pump that is how it's wired.. haha
after further research pretty sure i'd have to configure PWM output to the FP Ecu and i dont feel like dicking with that so i'll just replace the thing with a relay and proper sized wiring. Walbro recommends larger wiring for the 450 anyway.
My chevelle buddy has a bunch of relays for me so we'll get to cracking on that and i ordered a wiring bulkhead to pass the larger wires through the top hat.
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Yeah, that would simplify it some. basically it would be like the 12v fuel mod but using a relay triggered by your new ecu which can be a ground trigger.
Some of the ecu's come setup to work with the factory fuel ecu, but alot of people just bypass them as it is possible for them to fail eventually with the higher amps.
Enjoying the na-t learning curve yet?
It's not too late to drop in a gte and order something plug and play
Some of the ecu's come setup to work with the factory fuel ecu, but alot of people just bypass them as it is possible for them to fail eventually with the higher amps.
Enjoying the na-t learning curve yet?
It's not too late to drop in a gte and order something plug and play
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Yeah, that would simplify it some. basically it would be like the 12v fuel mod but using a relay triggered by your new ecu which can be a ground trigger.
Some of the ecu's come setup to work with the factory fuel ecu, but alot of people just bypass them as it is possible for them to fail eventually with the higher amps.
Enjoying the na-t learning curve yet?
It's not too late to drop in a gte and order something plug and play![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Some of the ecu's come setup to work with the factory fuel ecu, but alot of people just bypass them as it is possible for them to fail eventually with the higher amps.
Enjoying the na-t learning curve yet?
It's not too late to drop in a gte and order something plug and play
![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Plug in IACV, key on, key off, ecu stays powered on
TPS pigtail now has no voltage.
Only changes I did since I last tried these two things are install the FP which is now unplugged so that shouldn't matter. And I wired up the tach wire to the 8th pin on the orange plug. I've now got my harness all ripped open and I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary.
I plugged in the iacv a few times key off and the ****in ecu powered on, WHAT
Shame as I'm literally ready to start the pig
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Thought has crossed my mind lol. I have somehow goofed my wiring and I haven't been able to figure it out. Two issues I'm encountering:
Plug in IACV, key on, key off, ecu stays powered on
TPS pigtail now has no voltage.
Only changes I did since I last tried these two things are install the FP which is now unplugged so that shouldn't matter. And I wired up the tach wire to the 8th pin on the orange plug. I've now got my harness all ripped open and I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary.
I plugged in the iacv a few times key off and the ****in ecu powered on, WHAT
Shame as I'm literally ready to start the pig
Plug in IACV, key on, key off, ecu stays powered on
TPS pigtail now has no voltage.
Only changes I did since I last tried these two things are install the FP which is now unplugged so that shouldn't matter. And I wired up the tach wire to the 8th pin on the orange plug. I've now got my harness all ripped open and I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary.
I plugged in the iacv a few times key off and the ****in ecu powered on, WHAT
Shame as I'm literally ready to start the pig
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