newbie questions (are oil squirters THAT important?)
10-22-03, 03:09 PM
#17
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Could anyone maybe post some pics of the differences between the na and tt block for the squirters? Pics of to compare the pistons would be nice too.
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10-22-03, 06:33 PM
#18
I've seen a TT block with the pan removed, and the squirters are on a machined surface. I don't have pics, but here's the next best thing: http://www.mkiv.com/specifications/ncf/ncf93/ncf083.jpg
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10-23-03, 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by lex400sc
I think the point is the cost-benefit of drilling squirters in the NA motor as opposed to starting with a GTE swap. I wouldn't trust any off-the-shelf engine mechanic to mimic a carbon copy of the Toyota assembly line's squirter specs, but maybe I misunderstand the difficulty of the job.
I think the point is the cost-benefit of drilling squirters in the NA motor as opposed to starting with a GTE swap. I wouldn't trust any off-the-shelf engine mechanic to mimic a carbon copy of the Toyota assembly line's squirter specs, but maybe I misunderstand the difficulty of the job.
While I disagree with the other's opinions on hte importance of the oil squirters I'll leave it be iwth corey's comment
10-23-03, 09:48 AM
#20
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Be careful with the new factory GTE blocks though, I've heard many bad things and good things about them. Supraforums has a sticky thread in the MKIV forum about it...so read and decide for yourself.
Also there are a few things you'll need to swap in a GTE block. Oil pressure sender....you'll need a fitting as the two are different. Curt at Elmhurst Toyota will get that for you. There's also a coolant line coming off one side of the block, you need to plug that. A couple other minor things too. I'm putting together a FAQ / step by step thing of the differences between the GE and GTE blocks, because I'm finding lots of little things as I go. I'll post things as I find em!
Also I'll see what pics I can find to show the differences.
Top of the GTE block: (you can also see the coolant line you need to plug in this pic on the side of it)
SR
Also there are a few things you'll need to swap in a GTE block. Oil pressure sender....you'll need a fitting as the two are different. Curt at Elmhurst Toyota will get that for you. There's also a coolant line coming off one side of the block, you need to plug that. A couple other minor things too. I'm putting together a FAQ / step by step thing of the differences between the GE and GTE blocks, because I'm finding lots of little things as I go. I'll post things as I find em!
Also I'll see what pics I can find to show the differences.
Top of the GTE block: (you can also see the coolant line you need to plug in this pic on the side of it)
SR
10-27-03, 09:07 AM
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You know the debate between GE and GTE and between GTE swap versus GE Turbo is one of those debates that could go on forever. The NA-T guys love the Turbo GE... The GTE guys swear by it... I've been doing import performance for a long time. I will stand on the forfront for the GTE guys because: To me there factory turbo motors have shown to be more reliable then there non turbo (then add turbo) counter parts..With High HP on stock bottom ends
Nissan KA24DE versus SR20DET or th RBs
Mits. 2.0 and 2.2 versus 4G63 (turbo)
etc.. etc..
My personal "race" beat up track car is a 1995 Toyota Tercel with a Starlet 1.3 swap and a 75hp shot...
A 12 second ride.
But to the point with all said I just trust the "factory" purpose built Turbo motors over the non in Turbo form.
I've seen good outta both but it seems in high HP setups all the little extra really help.
Just my 3 cents thanks for watching
Nissan KA24DE versus SR20DET or th RBs
Mits. 2.0 and 2.2 versus 4G63 (turbo)
etc.. etc..
My personal "race" beat up track car is a 1995 Toyota Tercel with a Starlet 1.3 swap and a 75hp shot...
A 12 second ride.
But to the point with all said I just trust the "factory" purpose built Turbo motors over the non in Turbo form.
I've seen good outta both but it seems in high HP setups all the little extra really help.
Just my 3 cents thanks for watching
10-27-03, 10:02 AM
#25
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A good point Tommy, but consider that the GE head has more room for porting, and strengthwise the short block will be the same if you swap to GTE pistons (and rods on the later GE's). Seems more reasonable than swapping in an entirely new engine, harness, ECU, etc, etc....the only drawback is the lack of oil squirters, which I wouldn't worry about unless we're talking a good amount over 500 rwhp. As you probably know, the GTE short block and GE head combo (this is still technically NA-T) goes together like Tuna Fish and Lamb 
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10-27-03, 11:30 AM
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CmputerWiz can you do me a favor? can you check the distance from the top of the piston to the the top of the block deck on both the na and TT motors. I am playing around with some numbers and need both of those for one of my calculations.
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