Better proof than Dyno on Torquemasters
04-29-04, 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by T.L.W.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...5&pagenumber=1
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...5&pagenumber=1
05-02-04, 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by RanGer498
like i said any new updates. that last post there was on 06-27-02
like i said any new updates. that last post there was on 06-27-02
. I believe the Norcal guys did do some more recent dyno tests a couple of months ago but they haven't posted any results yet.
05-02-04, 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by DaveGS4
Uh... actually you said any 'more' updates, not 'new'. I believe the Norcal guys did do some more recent dyno tests a couple of months ago but they haven't posted any results yet.
Uh... actually you said any 'more' updates, not 'new'
. I believe the Norcal guys did do some more recent dyno tests a couple of months ago but they haven't posted any results yet.
sorry next time ill be more specific ...
05-02-04, 09:08 PM
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05-02-04, 09:24 PM
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Just call Steve Ganz - he got in touch with them and sent me a set not long ago.
05-02-04, 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by DaveGS4
Uh... actually you said any 'more' updates, not 'new'. I believe the Norcal guys did do some more recent dyno tests a couple of months ago but they haven't posted any results yet.
Uh... actually you said any 'more' updates, not 'new'
. I believe the Norcal guys did do some more recent dyno tests a couple of months ago but they haven't posted any results yet.
05-03-04, 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by rominl
honestly our dyno results give us no useful information, and everything was inconclusive.... that's why we didn't (haven't?) posted anything about it.
honestly our dyno results give us no useful information, and everything was inconclusive.... that's why we didn't (haven't?) posted anything about it.
05-03-04, 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by IS_Dude
why were they inconclusive?
why were they inconclusive?
05-05-04, 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by rominl
you shoudl check with rmmgs4 for all the data, he keeps track of them. i was too into the dyno meet that day, but from what i remember, the dyno runs were all inconsistent with each other, and that's why we couldn't make any conclusions
you shoudl check with rmmgs4 for all the data, he keeps track of them. i was too into the dyno meet that day, but from what i remember, the dyno runs were all inconsistent with each other, and that's why we couldn't make any conclusions
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=8020
Summary: Most cars these days are very finely tuned, and if they don't have appropriate cooling (i.e. very, very large fans to cool the engine while it's on the dyno), the numbers can vary about 10-20%. Shop fans blowing on a very high-performance engine, just don't do the job adequately of cooling the engine.
05-05-04, 09:43 PM
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My take on the Torquemeasters, only until I see the folowing will I believe they produce more power than stock:
On the same day (to try to hold as many environmental factors constant as possible), new Torquemasters are installed on the car (fully warmed up) and run on the dyno, then new Denso Iridiums are installed on the same car (fully warmed up) and run on the same dyno. If the room the car and dyno is in is 10 degrees hotter for one set of runs, then it's not consistent enough to compare the two plugs. Also, both sets of plugs must be new or it's not a fair comparison (anyone knows that new plugs will be more powerful than an old set of plugs).
Only until this is done is there empirical proof--no buttometers as it's too subjective, besides, in medicine, 50% of the cure is in the head anyways. Once some hard numbers are put on paper will I start believing the power gain benefits of the TM plugs.
Also, with the TM, I also have heard of some driveability concerns as well with them--misfirings, etc., and some durability concerns. I might try them one of these days once these concerns are met, but without objective proof, I don't have much reason as of today, to use them in my car over the OEM Denso Iridiums.
Nonetheless, I do appreciate all of those working on dynos for the TM plugs, as the resultant information will be useful to all GS owners. Keep us updated.
On the same day (to try to hold as many environmental factors constant as possible), new Torquemasters are installed on the car (fully warmed up) and run on the dyno, then new Denso Iridiums are installed on the same car (fully warmed up) and run on the same dyno. If the room the car and dyno is in is 10 degrees hotter for one set of runs, then it's not consistent enough to compare the two plugs. Also, both sets of plugs must be new or it's not a fair comparison (anyone knows that new plugs will be more powerful than an old set of plugs).
Only until this is done is there empirical proof--no buttometers as it's too subjective, besides, in medicine, 50% of the cure is in the head anyways. Once some hard numbers are put on paper will I start believing the power gain benefits of the TM plugs.
Also, with the TM, I also have heard of some driveability concerns as well with them--misfirings, etc., and some durability concerns. I might try them one of these days once these concerns are met, but without objective proof, I don't have much reason as of today, to use them in my car over the OEM Denso Iridiums.
Nonetheless, I do appreciate all of those working on dynos for the TM plugs, as the resultant information will be useful to all GS owners. Keep us updated.
05-05-04, 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by SeattleGS400
My take on the Torquemeasters, only until I see the folowing will I believe they produce more power than stock:
On the same day (to try to hold as many environmental factors constant as possible), new Torquemasters are installed on the car (fully warmed up) and run on the dyno, then new Denso Iridiums are installed on the same car (fully warmed up) and run on the same dyno. If the room the car and dyno is in is 10 degrees hotter for one set of runs, then it's not consistent enough to compare the two plugs. Also, both sets of plugs must be new or it's not a fair comparison (anyone knows that new plugs will be more powerful than an old set of plugs).
Only until this is done is there empirical proof--no buttometers as it's too subjective, besides, in medicine, 50% of the cure is in the head anyways. Once some hard numbers are put on paper will I start believing the power gain benefits of the TM plugs.
Also, with the TM, I also have heard of some driveability concerns as well with them--misfirings, etc., and some durability concerns. I might try them one of these days once these concerns are met, but without objective proof, I don't have much reason as of today, to use them in my car over the OEM Denso Iridiums.
Nonetheless, I do appreciate all of those working on dynos for the TM plugs, as the resultant information will be useful to all GS owners. Keep us updated.
My take on the Torquemeasters, only until I see the folowing will I believe they produce more power than stock:
On the same day (to try to hold as many environmental factors constant as possible), new Torquemasters are installed on the car (fully warmed up) and run on the dyno, then new Denso Iridiums are installed on the same car (fully warmed up) and run on the same dyno. If the room the car and dyno is in is 10 degrees hotter for one set of runs, then it's not consistent enough to compare the two plugs. Also, both sets of plugs must be new or it's not a fair comparison (anyone knows that new plugs will be more powerful than an old set of plugs).
Only until this is done is there empirical proof--no buttometers as it's too subjective, besides, in medicine, 50% of the cure is in the head anyways. Once some hard numbers are put on paper will I start believing the power gain benefits of the TM plugs.
Also, with the TM, I also have heard of some driveability concerns as well with them--misfirings, etc., and some durability concerns. I might try them one of these days once these concerns are met, but without objective proof, I don't have much reason as of today, to use them in my car over the OEM Denso Iridiums.
Nonetheless, I do appreciate all of those working on dynos for the TM plugs, as the resultant information will be useful to all GS owners. Keep us updated.
and about the misfiring, i would like to hear more too and most imprtantly, if that's the case, how many people? as far as i know everyone here in norcal with them have zero problems so far
05-05-04, 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by SeattleGS400
On the same day (to try to hold as many environmental factors constant as possible), new Torquemasters are installed on the car (fully warmed up) and run on the dyno, then new Denso Iridiums are installed on the same car (fully warmed up) and run on the same dyno. If the room the car and dyno is in is 10 degrees hotter for one set of runs, then it's not consistent enough to compare the two plugs. Also, both sets of plugs must be new or it's not a fair comparison (anyone knows that new plugs will be more powerful than an old set of plugs).
On the same day (to try to hold as many environmental factors constant as possible), new Torquemasters are installed on the car (fully warmed up) and run on the dyno, then new Denso Iridiums are installed on the same car (fully warmed up) and run on the same dyno. If the room the car and dyno is in is 10 degrees hotter for one set of runs, then it's not consistent enough to compare the two plugs. Also, both sets of plugs must be new or it's not a fair comparison (anyone knows that new plugs will be more powerful than an old set of plugs).
As for the car and driver article, they write it like it's a grand discovery. Perhaps only to those that read dyno printouts like they were pages from the bible. Some of the new breed of smart, all wheel drive cars are also very difficult to measure as rollers don't equal road and the computers go crazy on dynos.