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Old 11-18-06, 04:43 PM
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Good luck and keep us informed. As you know if it works they will buy! Take JoeZ for instance....
Old 11-18-06, 04:50 PM
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I'd be very interested to see a before/after dyno on the IS350
Old 11-18-06, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by IS35O
I'd be very interested to see a before/after dyno on the IS350
I'll post dyno results as soon as I'm satisfied with the air / fuel results. I've already been to the dyno once, and did 3 before, and 4 after pulls. The results were only about 3 HP, which isn't enough to post IMHO. It was also just a couple days after I had it working (poorly). My software datalogs acceleration, and gives a psuedo-torque curve from rate of acceleration. I will use that to figure out the "sweet spot" for AFR, then go back to the dyno.
Old 11-19-06, 04:35 AM
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Keep us updated. I will need a black box when you get done. Very good work. Thanks
Old 11-19-06, 07:08 AM
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Hey dude,

What's the A/F ratio on nominal conditions. As in, what is A/F without tweaking it, just stock?!?!
Old 11-19-06, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pimp350
Hey dude,

What's the A/F ratio on nominal conditions. As in, what is A/F without tweaking it, just stock?!?!
That's the yellow line in the 1st post. Depending on climate, it can be anywhere from high 11's to low 12's above 6K RPMs. I'm surprised how lean it runs below 3200 RPMs. I go full throttle at 2K, and it stays almost stoich until crossing 3K.
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Old 11-19-06, 05:17 PM
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It runs really lean below 3200 because it's functionally a stratified charge. Conventional wisdom doesn't apply in stratified charge engines. They're in a different world for a/f ratio because they can bypass a lot of the issues with running lean under load. There was a whole lot of engineering that went into this solution, and obviously it's working well.

This is why the comments about just slapping a set of low compression pistons in the engine and applying boost don't make sense. The whole combustion chamber is optimised to produce a rich cloud around the plug with a lean cloud in the rest of the chamber when it's time to ignite. It's going to be quite the trick to get this to happen with a different piston design.

Lexus have a really cool video on TIS showing exactly how all this works. It's in the new model training section for the '06.
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Originally Posted by lobuxracer
It runs really lean below 3200 because it's functionally a stratified charge. Conventional wisdom doesn't apply in stratified charge engines. They're in a different world for a/f ratio because they can bypass a lot of the issues with running lean under load. There was a whole lot of engineering that went into this solution, and obviously it's working well.

This is why the comments about just slapping a set of low compression pistons in the engine and applying boost don't make sense. The whole combustion chamber is optimised to produce a rich cloud around the plug with a lean cloud in the rest of the chamber when it's time to ignite. It's going to be quite the trick to get this to happen with a different piston design.

Lexus have a really cool video on TIS showing exactly how all this works. It's in the new model training section for the '06.
How lean do you think I can go before causing problems? I've been testing out 13.5 today, and it is producing a higher rate of accelleration according to my datalogs. I've also worked on the software a bit more, which is flattening AFR out even further.

Here is a chart of stock rate of accel (yellow) and tuned to 13.5 (blue). The Y axis is a psuedo-unitless value, and the X axis is RPM / 100. I'm just calculating change in MPH per time and plotting it. It looks a lot like a torque curve to me.
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Old 11-19-06, 06:19 PM
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BTW, the stock and tuned graphs above were done within 15 minutes of each other from the same spot on the road in the same direction with about 1.5 miles of cool down at 60 MPH between runs.
Old 11-19-06, 06:48 PM
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Not just a torque curve, but a beautiful one for a street car.
Old 11-20-06, 08:04 AM
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If the numbers from the graph in post 24 can be used to calculate torque, then it looks like I'm gaining between 3 and 6 ft-lbs from 4K to redline. The 6 ft-lbs would be from 6300 to redline, which would be about 7.5 hp.
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Here is the torque chart from my last dyno session. It looks exactly like the plot in post 24.
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Originally Posted by Gernby
I hope to go into production with a "black box" in the future. However, I'm still quite far from a production unit, as you can see in the picture above. All the components I'm using are "off the shelf", so I would need to spec out custom hardware that has everything needed in one package, and figure out how to finance a first run.
I been looking for some unique investments.
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Originally Posted by nate579
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I'll keep everyone up to date on my progress.


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