Tranny Cooler...
05-09-07, 12:45 PM
#32
My car use to shift harder before I had the cooler. Now it's smoother. Of course this doesn't happen right off the bat. I can only feel the difference if I drive for a long time. I do major stop and go driving so the tranny fluid heats up pretty badly. My fluid would turn from red to dark red within 1000 miles. Now it doesn't anymore 
05-09-07, 01:22 PM
#34
I personally have run similar coolers as the one you are looking at with no issues. The usually run a little larger than the one you mentioned (1401) but these are all on turbo cars as well so you probably don't Need the extra cooling unless you just wanted to go for it Again, I've been running a hayden in my Gs for 8 months, the car puts down 467hp at the wheels and I also towed my Gsxr 1000 across the country from Maryland to Washington with it and have had no issues and no burnt tranny fluid.
Again, I've been running a hayden in my Gs for 8 months, the car puts down 467hp at the wheels and I also towed my Gsxr 1000 across the country from Maryland to Washington with it and have had no issues and no burnt tranny fluid.
05-09-07, 04:59 PM
#35
It comes down to this. ANY TRANS cooler (even the old style tube and fin types) are better than nothing. But if you are going to spend the money, why not spend the extra few bucks and get something that is proven to be a better design?
Just because a members transmission has not gone bad yet is NOT proof something works. Sort of a poor test in my book.
All OEM's exclusively use the stacked cooler design inlcuding my Tundra and GX-there is a reason why they spent the extra money to do this. IMO it also looks a heck of a lot better than the old style ,"worm" coolers also. The fins are also sturdier and do not bend as easily as the old design coolers. BUT....that does not mean the old design does not work. They worked for a great many years until improved upon with the stacked units. What to buy is up to each person. Want to save money and get the cheapest thing out there-go for it. It's your car, it's your money.
Just because a members transmission has not gone bad yet is NOT proof something works. Sort of a poor test in my book.
All OEM's exclusively use the stacked cooler design inlcuding my Tundra and GX-there is a reason why they spent the extra money to do this. IMO it also looks a heck of a lot better than the old style ,"worm" coolers also. The fins are also sturdier and do not bend as easily as the old design coolers. BUT....that does not mean the old design does not work. They worked for a great many years until improved upon with the stacked units. What to buy is up to each person. Want to save money and get the cheapest thing out there-go for it. It's your car, it's your money.
05-09-07, 05:12 PM
#36
I still think that a sports sedan such as the GS should have come with one from the factory.
05-09-07, 06:05 PM
#37
I agree that it does not prove that you are not going to have problems with your tranny just because I haven't had problems with mine.
Fact is, alot of people need to be budget minded, not everyone is rolling around with a heavily modded Sc430 and a Gx470. Right there is what $100,000 in cars? You keep saying why not spend the extra money etc..because the extra money is within $5 of double the price of a Hayden, that in HIS application will do JUST AS WELL as anything B&M makes.
Personally, I drive my car everyday, I tow my street bike with it and I also tow my dirt bikes with it. I also run 20lbs of boost, all on my "Cheapo" Hayden cooled tranny. I'm not saying I will never have tranny problems and I'm not saying a tranny cooler will prevent the ultimate fact your tranny WILL give out at some point. The fact is, the Hayden is the best cost
erformance buy.
The arguement that the fins get bent easier is null. I dont think most people go hacking away at their tranny cooler once it's installed. Second of all, if you mount the tranny cooler as I had mentioned before there is no possibility of bent fins unless a boulder goes clean through your condensor.
I'm in no way downing the fact that you have nice cars, if I could afford it I would do it too What I'm saying is...There is absolutely nothing wrong with the "cheapo", as you like to call it, coolers. They will cool just as well in 99% of applications as anything B&M makes for half the cost.
I hope no one get's offended by the banter, it's all in good car talk fun
Just for thought, I took these prices from Ebay today using "Buy it Now" prices for both.
B&M 72065 Tranny cooler 15000GVW $60 shipped (then add the cost of hard lines and fittings)
Hayden 1404 "cheapo" 22000GVW $35 shipped (comes with everything for install)
Fact is, alot of people need to be budget minded, not everyone is rolling around with a heavily modded Sc430 and a Gx470. Right there is what $100,000 in cars? You keep saying why not spend the extra money etc..because the extra money is within $5 of double the price of a Hayden, that in HIS application will do JUST AS WELL as anything B&M makes.
Personally, I drive my car everyday, I tow my street bike with it and I also tow my dirt bikes with it. I also run 20lbs of boost, all on my "Cheapo" Hayden cooled tranny. I'm not saying I will never have tranny problems and I'm not saying a tranny cooler will prevent the ultimate fact your tranny WILL give out at some point. The fact is, the Hayden is the best cost
erformance buy. The arguement that the fins get bent easier is null. I dont think most people go hacking away at their tranny cooler once it's installed. Second of all, if you mount the tranny cooler as I had mentioned before there is no possibility of bent fins unless a boulder goes clean through your condensor.
I'm in no way downing the fact that you have nice cars, if I could afford it I would do it too
What I'm saying is...There is absolutely nothing wrong with the "cheapo", as you like to call it, coolers. They will cool just as well in 99% of applications as anything B&M makes for half the cost.I hope no one get's offended by the banter, it's all in good car talk fun
Just for thought, I took these prices from Ebay today using "Buy it Now" prices for both.
B&M 72065 Tranny cooler 15000GVW $60 shipped (then add the cost of hard lines and fittings)
Hayden 1404 "cheapo" 22000GVW $35 shipped (comes with everything for install)
Last edited by macd7919; 05-09-07 at 06:29 PM.
05-09-07, 06:18 PM
#38
macd7919,
Please do not try to make this personal.
I simply am giving the members the information on what exist out there and for some reason you appear to be taking this as a personal attack against you which it is not. So how about calling a peace here?
I laid out the information between the two different types of cooleers out there and in MY opininion why an extra $20.00-$30.00 is a good piece of mind when it comes to a $2500 transmission. As most Lexus transmission are very stout most owners here can just do without one. Towing, racing,etc.... add one on. ANY style.
I stated that either would work better than stock, but the facts are the facts. The stacked cooler is a superior design. That cannot be argued and that has nothing to do with my budget or what kind of car I drive.
Just because someone is driving a $1000 Lexus vs a $30000 Lexus does not mean that they are on a budget or care any less of their car. Truth be told they probably care more about their car and would rather take very good care of it and spend the extra $$ to do so. I was the same way when I was driving around in a $3000 Porsche 924 years back. I guarantee I took better care of that heap than most 911 owners did their car though now that I reflect back on it I wish I did not spend all of that extra cash on that car.
The options are on the people for people to choose from and they received educated answers from the both of us on the subject which is:
Tube/Fin=budget cooler that WORKS FINE
Stacked Cooler=33% better effeciency that works BETTER
Thank you
Please do not try to make this personal.
I simply am giving the members the information on what exist out there and for some reason you appear to be taking this as a personal attack against you which it is not. So how about calling a peace here?
I laid out the information between the two different types of cooleers out there and in MY opininion why an extra $20.00-$30.00 is a good piece of mind when it comes to a $2500 transmission. As most Lexus transmission are very stout most owners here can just do without one. Towing, racing,etc.... add one on. ANY style.
I stated that either would work better than stock, but the facts are the facts. The stacked cooler is a superior design. That cannot be argued and that has nothing to do with my budget or what kind of car I drive.
Just because someone is driving a $1000 Lexus vs a $30000 Lexus does not mean that they are on a budget or care any less of their car. Truth be told they probably care more about their car and would rather take very good care of it and spend the extra $$ to do so. I was the same way when I was driving around in a $3000 Porsche 924 years back. I guarantee I took better care of that heap than most 911 owners did their car though now that I reflect back on it I wish I did not spend all of that extra cash on that car.
The options are on the people for people to choose from and they received educated answers from the both of us on the subject which is:
Tube/Fin=budget cooler that WORKS FINE
Stacked Cooler=33% better effeciency that works BETTER
Thank you
Last edited by Pearlpower; 05-09-07 at 06:31 PM.
05-09-07, 07:06 PM
#40
Lexus Champion
macd7919,
Please do not try to make this personal.
I simply am giving the members the information on what exist out there and for some reason you appear to be taking this as a personal attack against you which it is not. So how about calling a peace here?
I laid out the information between the two different types of cooleers out there and in MY opininion why an extra $20.00-$30.00 is a good piece of mind when it comes to a $2500 transmission. As most Lexus transmission are very stout most owners here can just do without one. Towing, racing,etc.... add one on. ANY style.
I stated that either would work better than stock, but the facts are the facts. The stacked cooler is a superior design. That cannot be argued and that has nothing to do with my budget or what kind of car I drive.
Just because someone is driving a $1000 Lexus vs a $30000 Lexus does not mean that they are on a budget or care any less of their car. Truth be told they probably care more about their car and would rather take very good care of it and spend the extra $$ to do so. I was the same way when I was driving around in a $3000 Porsche 924 years back. I guarantee I took better care of that heap than most 911 owners did their car though now that I reflect back on it I wish I did not spend all of that extra cash on that car.
The options are on the people for people to choose from and they received educated answers from the both of us on the subject which is:
Tube/Fin=budget cooler that WORKS FINE
Stacked Cooler=33% better effeciency that works BETTER
Thank you
Please do not try to make this personal.
I simply am giving the members the information on what exist out there and for some reason you appear to be taking this as a personal attack against you which it is not. So how about calling a peace here?
I laid out the information between the two different types of cooleers out there and in MY opininion why an extra $20.00-$30.00 is a good piece of mind when it comes to a $2500 transmission. As most Lexus transmission are very stout most owners here can just do without one. Towing, racing,etc.... add one on. ANY style.
I stated that either would work better than stock, but the facts are the facts. The stacked cooler is a superior design. That cannot be argued and that has nothing to do with my budget or what kind of car I drive.
Just because someone is driving a $1000 Lexus vs a $30000 Lexus does not mean that they are on a budget or care any less of their car. Truth be told they probably care more about their car and would rather take very good care of it and spend the extra $$ to do so. I was the same way when I was driving around in a $3000 Porsche 924 years back. I guarantee I took better care of that heap than most 911 owners did their car though now that I reflect back on it I wish I did not spend all of that extra cash on that car.
The options are on the people for people to choose from and they received educated answers from the both of us on the subject which is:
Tube/Fin=budget cooler that WORKS FINE
Stacked Cooler=33% better effeciency that works BETTER
Thank you
JPI
05-09-07, 07:17 PM
#41
But....not all is lost...
Here is straight from Hayden. Imperial, B&M, etc.. will tell you the same.
I have also sold a great many trans coolers to performance shops, RV shops,etc.... and there is no disputing the difference between the two.
From Hayden
Tube
Ultra-Cool® Transmission Oil Coolers
The industry's first transmission cooler, the Ultra-Cool® transmission oil cooler is available in six sizes to fit a wide range of applications from sub-compacts to motorhomes.
Features
* Ultrasonically soldered for reliability
* 100% pressure tested at 150 PSI for quality assurance
* High efficiency turbulators in every tube for maximum heat dissipation
* 3/8” push-on fittings for quick and easy installation
STACKED PLATE
Rapid-Cool®’s unique plate and fin design offers excellent cooling efficiency in a compact, space-efficient design.
Features
* 33% more efficient than a comparable tube and fin design
* Pre-drilled mounting plates for easy installation
* Four sizes available to fit a wider range of applications
* Internal turbulation for efficient heat transfer
* 3/8” push-on fittings for quick and easy installation
Last edited by Pearlpower; 05-09-07 at 07:22 PM.
05-09-07, 07:22 PM
#43
Lexus Champion
I believe you can retrieve the trans temp through the Lexus/Toyota scanner. If anyone live the dallas area and have both of these coolers. I would like to do some testing on them.
JPI
JPI
05-09-07, 07:40 PM
#44
I agree that it does not prove that you are not going to have problems with your tranny just because I haven't had problems with mine.
Fact is, alot of people need to be budget minded, not everyone is rolling around with a heavily modded Sc430 and a Gx470. Right there is what $100,000 in cars? You keep saying why not spend the extra money etc..because the extra money is within $5 of double the price of a Hayden, that in HIS application will do JUST AS WELL as anything B&M makes.
Personally, I drive my car everyday, I tow my street bike with it and I also tow my dirt bikes with it. I also run 20lbs of boost, all on my "Cheapo" Hayden cooled tranny. I'm not saying I will never have tranny problems and I'm not saying a tranny cooler will prevent the ultimate fact your tranny WILL give out at some point. The fact is, the Hayden is the best costerformance buy.
The arguement that the fins get bent easier is null. I dont think most people go hacking away at their tranny cooler once it's installed. Second of all, if you mount the tranny cooler as I had mentioned before there is no possibility of bent fins unless a boulder goes clean through your condensor.
I'm in no way downing the fact that you have nice cars, if I could afford it I would do it too What I'm saying is...There is absolutely nothing wrong with the "cheapo", as you like to call it, coolers. They will cool just as well in 99% of applications as anything B&M makes for half the cost.
I hope no one get's offended by the banter, it's all in good car talk fun
Just for thought, I took these prices from Ebay today using "Buy it Now" prices for both.
B&M 72065 Tranny cooler 15000GVW $60 shipped (then add the cost of hard lines and fittings)
Hayden 1404 "cheapo" 22000GVW $35 shipped (comes with everything for install)
Fact is, alot of people need to be budget minded, not everyone is rolling around with a heavily modded Sc430 and a Gx470. Right there is what $100,000 in cars? You keep saying why not spend the extra money etc..because the extra money is within $5 of double the price of a Hayden, that in HIS application will do JUST AS WELL as anything B&M makes.
Personally, I drive my car everyday, I tow my street bike with it and I also tow my dirt bikes with it. I also run 20lbs of boost, all on my "Cheapo" Hayden cooled tranny. I'm not saying I will never have tranny problems and I'm not saying a tranny cooler will prevent the ultimate fact your tranny WILL give out at some point. The fact is, the Hayden is the best cost
erformance buy. The arguement that the fins get bent easier is null. I dont think most people go hacking away at their tranny cooler once it's installed. Second of all, if you mount the tranny cooler as I had mentioned before there is no possibility of bent fins unless a boulder goes clean through your condensor.
I'm in no way downing the fact that you have nice cars, if I could afford it I would do it too
What I'm saying is...There is absolutely nothing wrong with the "cheapo", as you like to call it, coolers. They will cool just as well in 99% of applications as anything B&M makes for half the cost.I hope no one get's offended by the banter, it's all in good car talk fun
Just for thought, I took these prices from Ebay today using "Buy it Now" prices for both.
B&M 72065 Tranny cooler 15000GVW $60 shipped (then add the cost of hard lines and fittings)
Hayden 1404 "cheapo" 22000GVW $35 shipped (comes with everything for install)
Looking forward to getting it installed and its fairly small.. DO i need extra Toyota tranny fluid when doing the install?
05-09-07, 07:41 PM
#45
But....your more than welcome to step up and volunteer for all of us and do a comparo.
Last edited by Pearlpower; 05-09-07 at 08:32 PM.