GS430 tranny acting up - any ideas?
#17
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It isn't just Toyota dealers in your area, it is all Toyota's. I used to work at Toyota, their justification is that although the techs are trained on various transmissions it is pretty much for diagnosis only, and its too costly to rip into a transmission. Whereas an engine is another story, it is much cheaper to rebuild the engine than it is to rebuild the tranny. So Toyota will rebuild a motor, depending on the cost break down, but not rebuild a transmission, but simply replace it. I would start with a drain and fill to see if you notice any difference that new fluid might make. It's like an oil change, but easier. 14mm bolt, drain as much as possible, tighten the bolt, and add 2 qts. Go from there. Hope that helps some. If you do decide to drop the pan, replace the filter since your there.
#18
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Or, put another way, do other shops actually try to repair transmissions like this these days, or are they all in the "replace with rebuilt unit" mode these days?
#19
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I would just read the indicator properly rather than worry about how much to add or remove based on assumptions. Take the car for a ride and come back to a leveled surface and see if it's close or below the hot indicator. I personally wouldn't care too much if it's in the area of the hot indicator. Take a little bit out if you are worried...but check the level properly first before you do anything.
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#20
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Ah, I appreciate your insight, as this is exactly what I have seen from the dealer. So, let me ask you this - if I do the simple stuff that I can do myself (drain/refill, maybe look at filter), and nothing changes, then is there any sense of taking it to the dealer to see if they will try to work on it? Or will they just say that they need to replace it (which judging from my previous in-warranty work is $5K)?
Or, put another way, do other shops actually try to repair transmissions like this these days, or are they all in the "replace with rebuilt unit" mode these days?
Or, put another way, do other shops actually try to repair transmissions like this these days, or are they all in the "replace with rebuilt unit" mode these days?
#22
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I build these transmissions all the time. I actually tear them down and modify them internally and replace the parts inside with much stronger parts than stock. The one in my car is holding mid 700HP range and I don't exactly go easy on it. I've had problems when the trans wouldnt move unless revved up. The #1 cause for this is if your fluid is low. Overfilling the fluid is generally not recommended but it won't really hurt anything. If you seriously overfill it, then the fluid will be purged out of the overfill valve which could present a dangerous situation for yoursel or others if you are pouring out trans fluid when it's raining outside.
The other issue as others have mentioned is that your transmission filter might be clogged. If there was an internal transmission issue, the last time you checked the fluid...was it dark/dirty or burned smelling? Also, start up the car and listen carefully to the transmission. See if you can hear a buzzing/rattling noise. That usually indicates that the trans pump is cavitating, not getting enough fluid, or could possibly be the pump going out.
That's the things with these transmissions, theres so many parts that can go wrong inside. They're not exactly easy to work on either because there's so many similar(but different)looking parts. You really have to know what you're doing to be able to tear apart a trans and put it back together. I know a few mechanics that work on engines and rebuild them all day long, but they won't go within a mile of the inside of an automatic transmission lol.
The final note, I think you might be able to get the dealer to fix the trans again for you. I mean if this will be the 3rd trans replacement, I think you can get them under the lemon law. You're obviously doing your maintenance on time and keep up with everything and some other/unknown factor is causing your transmission to fail. I think they will work with you on this issue if you bring it in. Ask to speak to a service manager if going through 3 transmissions on a Lexus within 80k miles is normal lol. If he says yes, ask him why they don't advertise it on their brochure
The other issue as others have mentioned is that your transmission filter might be clogged. If there was an internal transmission issue, the last time you checked the fluid...was it dark/dirty or burned smelling? Also, start up the car and listen carefully to the transmission. See if you can hear a buzzing/rattling noise. That usually indicates that the trans pump is cavitating, not getting enough fluid, or could possibly be the pump going out.
That's the things with these transmissions, theres so many parts that can go wrong inside. They're not exactly easy to work on either because there's so many similar(but different)looking parts. You really have to know what you're doing to be able to tear apart a trans and put it back together. I know a few mechanics that work on engines and rebuild them all day long, but they won't go within a mile of the inside of an automatic transmission lol.
The final note, I think you might be able to get the dealer to fix the trans again for you. I mean if this will be the 3rd trans replacement, I think you can get them under the lemon law. You're obviously doing your maintenance on time and keep up with everything and some other/unknown factor is causing your transmission to fail. I think they will work with you on this issue if you bring it in. Ask to speak to a service manager if going through 3 transmissions on a Lexus within 80k miles is normal lol. If he says yes, ask him why they don't advertise it on their brochure
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