0-60 Times?
02-21-10, 11:24 AM
#16
Rock-a-lex is right. Tires are the most important mod on the car. Who care how good your suspension or how much power your engine has. What's the point of all that if you have crappy cheap tires on? You will only get about 75% of full potential if you have crap tires on. It's the thing that hold to your car to the road, so make sure you don't skimp!
02-21-10, 08:09 PM
#20
Secondly, a fresh set of "performance" tires isn't necessarily going to give you the best traction. You will get better traction (in the dry of course) with tires that are worn out. There is a reason slicks have no tread and drag radials have very little tread, a smooth tire is going to give you the best traction so I wouldn't worry too much about spending $$$ on a new set of tires unless you are going with drag radials or something.
02-21-10, 10:48 PM
#21
It matters in a straight line too. Super stiff suspension doesn't transfer weight, you want weight transfer to the rear than you need to run a somewhat soft (in proportion to the vehicle) setup. Secondly, suspension setup contributes to wheel hop, a car that isn't set up well can get some nasty wheel hop which ruins any chance of a good 60ft.
Secondly, a fresh set of "performance" tires isn't necessarily going to give you the best traction. You will get better traction (in the dry of course) with tires that are worn out. There is a reason slicks have no tread and drag radials have very little tread, a smooth tire is going to give you the best traction so I wouldn't worry too much about spending $$$ on a new set of tires unless you are going with drag radials or something.
Secondly, a fresh set of "performance" tires isn't necessarily going to give you the best traction. You will get better traction (in the dry of course) with tires that are worn out. There is a reason slicks have no tread and drag radials have very little tread, a smooth tire is going to give you the best traction so I wouldn't worry too much about spending $$$ on a new set of tires unless you are going with drag radials or something.
02-21-10, 11:48 PM
#22
Jeff, I disagree with you here. If you know anything about vehicle dynamics, I assure you that there needs to be a balance between tires and suspension. Tires is what makes your car ahere to the roads, but without proper suspension, you can't properly transfer that power down to the grounds.
I'm sure everyone knows this, but there have been people out there that I've seen who spend a ton of money on upgrading their suspensions and engines. Then they get some cheap Kumhos, Sunnys, Nankangs, or Nexens. I mean they're OK tires for normal driving, but it won't get anywhere near the full potential of a nicer more expensive set of tires.
Yes, a lot of different tire/suspension combos can factor into all of this. However, at the end of the day...tires are what makes contact with the ground and moves the car.
02-22-10, 05:54 AM
#23
Sorry, I mis-worded my statement. What I was trying to say is that thires are the single most important mod for a already upgraded car. Of course stock setup will probably not see too much of a difference between different tires. Basically, if you have the best suspension in the world and tuned to the tee, and a crazy engine...and a set of walmart $40 special tires, you're probably not going to see the best performance gains
I'm sure everyone knows this, but there have been people out there that I've seen who spend a ton of money on upgrading their suspensions and engines. Then they get some cheap Kumhos, Sunnys, Nankangs, or Nexens. I mean they're OK tires for normal driving, but it won't get anywhere near the full potential of a nicer more expensive set of tires.
Yes, a lot of different tire/suspension combos can factor into all of this. However, at the end of the day...tires are what makes contact with the ground and moves the car.
I'm sure everyone knows this, but there have been people out there that I've seen who spend a ton of money on upgrading their suspensions and engines. Then they get some cheap Kumhos, Sunnys, Nankangs, or Nexens. I mean they're OK tires for normal driving, but it won't get anywhere near the full potential of a nicer more expensive set of tires.
Yes, a lot of different tire/suspension combos can factor into all of this. However, at the end of the day...tires are what makes contact with the ground and moves the car.
Nice info Jeff! A question for you...what is better for a RWD car like ours for optimal launching (assuming you have adjustable coilovers - aside from how hard or soft the suspension is):
-the front suspension being a little lower than the rear? (slightly hot roddish)
-the front and rear suspension being at the same hieght (car level)
-the front suspension being a little higher than the rear? (car squatting)
Do any of the above 3 scenarios matter regarding weight transfer when it comes to launching?
02-22-10, 07:45 AM
#24
im going to say suspension is more crucial than tires. you can go out on the best tires you can find, but if you dont have your suspension dialed in, your tires wont hook.
now if your suspension is dialed in, you will hook on whatever tire you put under there (within reason) ive went out and pulled drag radial times, on snow tires, and all seasons....because my suspension was dialed in. suspension before tires. ask any legit racer and they will tell you the same. of my 15 years of drag racing, thats one thing i can say without a doubt.
why is everyone on this forum so caught up in 0-60 times? lol
now if your suspension is dialed in, you will hook on whatever tire you put under there (within reason) ive went out and pulled drag radial times, on snow tires, and all seasons....because my suspension was dialed in. suspension before tires. ask any legit racer and they will tell you the same. of my 15 years of drag racing, thats one thing i can say without a doubt.
why is everyone on this forum so caught up in 0-60 times? lol
02-22-10, 08:21 AM
#25
im going to say suspension is more crucial than tires. you can go out on the best tires you can find, but if you dont have your suspension dialed in, your tires wont hook.
now if your suspension is dialed in, you will hook on whatever tire you put under there (within reason) ive went out and pulled drag radial times, on snow tires, and all seasons....because my suspension was dialed in. suspension before tires. ask any legit racer and they will tell you the same. of my 15 years of drag racing, thats one thing i can say without a doubt.
why is everyone on this forum so caught up in 0-60 times? lol
now if your suspension is dialed in, you will hook on whatever tire you put under there (within reason) ive went out and pulled drag radial times, on snow tires, and all seasons....because my suspension was dialed in. suspension before tires. ask any legit racer and they will tell you the same. of my 15 years of drag racing, thats one thing i can say without a doubt.
why is everyone on this forum so caught up in 0-60 times? lol
02-22-10, 11:23 AM
#27
I'm sure everyone knows this, but there have been people out there that I've seen who spend a ton of money on upgrading their suspensions and engines. Then they get some cheap Kumhos, Sunnys, Nankangs, or Nexens. I mean they're OK tires for normal driving, but it won't get anywhere near the full potential of a nicer more expensive set of tires.
02-22-10, 01:38 PM
#28
you should do a search on the tire industry and how they make their tires...you would be suprised that some highly reguarded tire companies, just re-cap old tires and sell them for new. what you THINK you are getting, by going with that brand name tire, may not be true. and ALL tires have to be DOT approved, and thats how they get their ratings....so if your chosing between 2 tires that have the same ratings, they are the same tire,and provide the same performance. what your paying more for is name. which is fine to some...but for others that are more savy, they get the same performance, for far less $$$.
