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Old 10-09-10, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by iSuxeL
I didn't do anything to the Synapse. I would drive it for a few days without heavy acceleration so the ECU learns it before stepping on it.
I finally managed to work the kit correctly.
The bov didn't work well and that's why the system kept so much pressure.
I changed the feeding of vac/boost to bov
I opened a new thread in the manifold and i removed the small spring from inside.
Taking vac/boost from the already existing fitting on the manifold prooved to be wrong.
Now the synapse stays closed at idle and boost goes up to 5,2 psi.
Flutter is history now.
I lost a lot of power though so i have to dyno the car again to see what's going on.
I need your help on something.
Until 4600 rpm i see only 2-2,3 psi of boost.
5 psi come only at 6500 and only if i have 100 miles and above.
Does yours work the same way?
Old 10-10-10, 07:58 AM
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looking good.....
Old 10-10-10, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pepos
I finally managed to work the kit correctly.
The bov didn't work well and that's why the system kept so much pressure.
I changed the feeding of vac/boost to bov
I opened a new thread in the manifold and i removed the small spring from inside.
Taking vac/boost from the already existing fitting on the manifold prooved to be wrong.
Now the synapse stays closed at idle and boost goes up to 5,2 psi.
Flutter is history now.
I lost a lot of power though so i have to dyno the car again to see what's going on.
I need your help on something.
Until 4600 rpm i see only 2-2,3 psi of boost.
5 psi come only at 6500 and only if i have 100 miles and above.
Does yours work the same way?
can you take pictures of where you relocated the vac/boost?
Old 10-10-10, 06:58 PM
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wats the final figure?
1/4mile time
BOV fixed
new power levels?
Old 10-10-10, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ilv1004s
wats the final figure?
1/4mile time
BOV fixed
new power levels?
Figure stays the same.
The bov has to remain open at idle and light throttle.
Previous setup ws not correct finally because it didn't open even when i steped off the pedal.
So i'm still running 7.1 psi.
I need to find something to richen the AFR and Timing.
I'm thinking of installing an MFU on the return fuel line and bigger fuel pump in the gas tank along with a Camcon, Dastek or AEM F/IC.
Anyway something that will bypass the stock ECU on AFR and Timing for good.
I don't want to install a larger pulley because the car now has a lot of power and i don't want to lose this.
As i see until now i have no problem at all up to 5500 rpm running the car like this.
The problem is from there up to redline.
That's where the mixture gets lean (12.5-13)
I'm now searching for the piggy that will work along.
As far from my research Camcon can do the job on AFR but not on timing.
Any ideas on that?
Old 10-11-10, 01:28 AM
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well RGM uses unichip piggy back
i wonder if that'll help
ARMA S/C makes 312 HP atw
RGM is similar also
i wonder y the LMS is such a low figure
Old 10-11-10, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ilv1004s
well RGM uses unichip piggy back
i wonder if that'll help
ARMA S/C makes 312 HP atw
RGM is similar also
i wonder y the LMS is such a low figure
LMS kit has no management system
that's why.
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Originally Posted by pepos
LMS kit has no management system
that's why.
ah right..
yeah know i get it
how about the unichip piggyback system?
Old 10-11-10, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ilv1004s
ah right..
yeah know i get it
how about the unichip piggyback system?
still searching
Old 10-11-10, 09:34 PM
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Take a picture of where you hooked up the vacuum line to the BOV. If you're only seeing 2-3lbs of boost then your belt isn't tight enough.
Old 10-13-10, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by iSuxeL
Take a picture of where you hooked up the vacuum line to the BOV. If you're only seeing 2-3lbs of boost then your belt isn't tight enough.
Did you have any issues with CEL/VSC?
I got a P0031 bank 1.
Most probably i burned my A/f sensor because of high temp exhaust gas cause i'm running lean.
I need to find a way to richen the A/F.
Andy from Elite said that he will help me to richen the A/F with the AEM FIC that he specially moded for the ISF.
He said that he 'll try to do the same for IS250.
Waiting to hear from him.
Here is a picture of the Vacuum for the Synapse.
I also removed from the inside of BOV the small preload spring and attached to Vacuum source both ports A & B.
Now the BOV works like a charm.
Stays open at idle and light throttle closes when it senses boost and opens again when i step off without fluttering or surge.
Taking VAC/Boost from the already existing port that the manifold has didn't work well.
Perhaps it's not free and it restricts the signal somehow.
I'm only using that right now to feed the PLX Boost and AFR device.
Attached Thumbnails IS250 S/C installed-vacuum-location.jpg  

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Old 10-13-10, 07:00 AM
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Pepos - Just curious about your comments about the BOV. What do you exactly mean by "open at idle" etc???

All air that goes into the motor must flow past the mass airflow (MAF) sensor. Otherwise the ECU will get the wrong inputs and not adjust the engine parameters correctly. From your description, you might be making a vaccum leak depending on where the BOV is located. Maybe not?

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Old 10-13-10, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Gaugster
Pepos - Just curious about your comments about the BOV. What do you exactly mean by "open at idle" etc???

All air that goes into the motor must flow past the mass airflow (MAF) sensor. Otherwise the ECU will get the wrong inputs and not adjust the engine parameters correctly. From your description, you might be making a vaccum leak depending on where the BOV is located. Maybe not?
The BOV on LMS kit is located on the discharge of the intercooler and before the MAF(between intercooler and MAF).
So MAF doesn't measures the air leaking from BOV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowoff_valve
http://synapseengineering.com/smf/index.php?topic=932.0
So there is no need to recirculate the leaking air to the intake.
When at idle or light throttle the manifold after the throttle body is in Vacuum and when you step on the pedal and throttle body buterfly opens produces boost, when you step off goes to vacuum state again.
So BOV is designed to remain open when it senses vacuum and closes when it senses boost.
Also this BOV works faster than a pushtype one.
http://synapseengineering.com/smf/index.php?topic=303.0
The benefits of this kind of operation can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvnBD...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2--IIMSa9A&NR=1

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Old 10-16-10, 11:57 AM
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13:1 is definitely too lean, You should be shooting for no more then 12:1 at WOT, unless this is250 engine is different from all other engines.
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Originally Posted by ScKcBc
13:1 is definitely too lean, You should be shooting for no more then 12:1 at WOT, unless this is250 engine is different from all other engines.
Yes you are correct 11.5-12 at WOT would be the ideal.
That's what i'm trying to do.

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