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#2521
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Fowl, seeking more power is fine; however, I think you're being impatient and antagonising the other main contributors to thread unnecessarily.
I agree that we would all enjoy more power, but Tony/tuners are not working on this ECU 8 hours a day, 5 - 7 days a week. They also tune other cars, so it makes more sense to sit on your hands and see it as a present when a new revision/stage is released. Poking them about the next release constantly will not make it appear any faster.
As for staying on topic, does the next step look like unlocking ECU limitations (which seem to be removable through bench flashing?) or is it still a hybrid turbo swap? It looks like the last few pages have been a bit of both.
I agree that we would all enjoy more power, but Tony/tuners are not working on this ECU 8 hours a day, 5 - 7 days a week. They also tune other cars, so it makes more sense to sit on your hands and see it as a present when a new revision/stage is released. Poking them about the next release constantly will not make it appear any faster.
As for staying on topic, does the next step look like unlocking ECU limitations (which seem to be removable through bench flashing?) or is it still a hybrid turbo swap? It looks like the last few pages have been a bit of both.
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Sheddy (01-27-18)
#2522
Fowl, seeking more power is fine; however, I think you're being impatient and antagonising the other main contributors to thread unnecessarily.
I agree that we would all enjoy more power, but Tony/tuners are not working on this ECU 8 hours a day, 5 - 7 days a week. They also tune other cars, so it makes more sense to sit on your hands and see it as a present when a new revision/stage is released. Poking them about the next release constantly will not make it appear any faster.
As for staying on topic, does the next step look like unlocking ECU limitations (which seem to be removable through bench flashing?) or is it still a hybrid turbo swap? It looks like the last few pages have been a bit of both.
I agree that we would all enjoy more power, but Tony/tuners are not working on this ECU 8 hours a day, 5 - 7 days a week. They also tune other cars, so it makes more sense to sit on your hands and see it as a present when a new revision/stage is released. Poking them about the next release constantly will not make it appear any faster.
As for staying on topic, does the next step look like unlocking ECU limitations (which seem to be removable through bench flashing?) or is it still a hybrid turbo swap? It looks like the last few pages have been a bit of both.
#2523
I hope you don’t detour clubmembers or future club members from wanting to ask questions or help. Whats so aggressive about pointing out we’ve only gained 10whp here in the last two years, you’re taking it personal and I don’t think it’s your place. It’s not completely irrational to bring it up. It’s clear we can’t communicate without conflict so let’s not
#2524
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Zahabriel (01-28-18)
#2525
Well, i'm not rich enough to change my car for the foreseeable near future, so i will wait and see what options tuners and piggyback boxes have for me. More power is of course nice, but i bought Lexus not for outright power.
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IS200TFOWL (01-27-18)
#2526
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#2527
Hey guys, managed to get a nice snap of what to come
Look at these babies....Prototype 1 and testing will start in the coming week
Stock Hybrid 😎
Again right side is the TTI Hybrid Turbo, with Turbine wheel cutback, left is stock
Look at these babies....Prototype 1 and testing will start in the coming week
Stock Hybrid 😎
Again right side is the TTI Hybrid Turbo, with Turbine wheel cutback, left is stock
Last edited by Nuke; 01-29-18 at 03:30 AM.
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#2528
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Awesome stuff, it looks great.
Last edited by Sheddy; 01-29-18 at 06:36 AM.
#2529
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New dyno from OV Tuning on a 16 200t. This is in their reflash tab (website is all screwed up right now). https://www.ovtuned.com/collections/...e-package-2015
Now I don't know the particulars on this but they claim up to 24psi. the looks of the graph indicat the turbo is still dropping off after 4200RPM. We need to all understand at this point this turbo CANNOT hold any more than 16 PSI through out the entire RPM range. I don't think it's a software lock, but just a turbo that is designed for quick spool up and mid-rang power.
Here's to TTI on the hybrid turbo upgrade.
Now I don't know the particulars on this but they claim up to 24psi. the looks of the graph indicat the turbo is still dropping off after 4200RPM. We need to all understand at this point this turbo CANNOT hold any more than 16 PSI through out the entire RPM range. I don't think it's a software lock, but just a turbo that is designed for quick spool up and mid-rang power.
Here's to TTI on the hybrid turbo upgrade.
#2530
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New dyno from OV Tuning on a 16 200t. This is in their reflash tab (website is all screwed up right now). https://www.ovtuned.com/collections/...e-package-2015
Now I don't know the particulars on this but they claim up to 24psi. the looks of the graph indicat the turbo is still dropping off after 4200RPM. We need to all understand at this point this turbo CANNOT hold any more than 16 PSI through out the entire RPM range. I don't think it's a software lock, but just a turbo that is designed for quick spool up and mid-rang power.
Here's to TTI on the hybrid turbo upgrade.
Now I don't know the particulars on this but they claim up to 24psi. the looks of the graph indicat the turbo is still dropping off after 4200RPM. We need to all understand at this point this turbo CANNOT hold any more than 16 PSI through out the entire RPM range. I don't think it's a software lock, but just a turbo that is designed for quick spool up and mid-rang power.
Here's to TTI on the hybrid turbo upgrade.
OV's results looks similar to my BMS Stage 1 where there's not much gain under the curve up top.
What we are questioning is why club member Nuke with Stage 2+, stock turbo and FBO was able to achieve 260whp 290wtq on a Mustang dyno and we didn't come close to those results.
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loophole35 (01-29-18)
#2531
This dyno shows the boost peaking at 19.2psi (tq) holds 15psi (hp)This is basically the same dyno he sold me on 4-5 month ago. Matt isn’t a man of his word and that’s been proven. About as bad as they come. Tti quoted holding 15 psi on the high end results in more than 265whp. However OV wants to claim 16 is the max it will hold? If that’s true show then show us a dyno that proves it. The dyno he’s showing you is realisticly peaking 17-18 psi and holding 12-13 on the high end. OV wants to claim these “turbo limits” when he hasn’t even come close. I think Matt’s problem is that he can’t make any further advances with his tuning software so rather than being transparent he’s going to lie to you...
#2532
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This dyno shows the boost peaking at 19.2psi (tq) holds 15psi (hp)This is basically the same dyno he sold me on 4-5 month ago. Matt isn’t a man of his word and that’s been proven. About as bad as they come. Tti quoted holding 15 psi on the high end results in more than 265whp. However OV wants to claim 16 is the max it will hold? If that’s true show then show us a dyno that proves it. The dyno he’s showing you is realisticly peaking 17-18 psi and holding 12-13 on the high end. OV wants to claim these “turbo limits” when he hasn’t even come close. I think Matt’s problem is that he can’t make any further advances with his tuning software so rather than being transparent he’s going to lie to you...
The inlet on the turbo is only 40mm in size and gets shoved through a 36mm outlet on the turbo. the flow rate of this turbo is maxing out. The ECU is requesting more boost but the turbo CANNOT provide it. Look at your own boost graph. It's a peak then a gradual drop off.
@Sheddy.
Likely due to differences in DYNO used Mustang and Dynojet calculate things different.
Everyone needs to remember that horsepower is a fake number that is calculated off of torque. It is nothing more than an equation determined by the Torque curve.
Last edited by loophole35; 01-29-18 at 08:26 AM.
#2533
Dude you really need to CHILL. You're own graph shows above 16PSI until 5500RPM then drops no lower than 15.5PSI. I never claimed the Turbo WILL HOLD 16PSI. I said, "We need to all understand at this point this turbo CANNOT hold any more than 16 PSI through out the entire RPM range."
The inlet on the turbo is only 40mm in size and gets shoved through a 36mm outlet on the turbo. the flow rate of this turbo is maxing out. The ECU is requesting more boost but the turbo CANNOT provide it. Look at your own boost graph. It's a peak then a gradual drop off.
@Sheddy.
Likely due to differences in DYNO used Mustang and Dynojet calculate things different.
Everyone needs to remember that horsepower is a fake number that is calculated off of torque. It is nothing more than an equation determined by the Torque curve.
The inlet on the turbo is only 40mm in size and gets shoved through a 36mm outlet on the turbo. the flow rate of this turbo is maxing out. The ECU is requesting more boost but the turbo CANNOT provide it. Look at your own boost graph. It's a peak then a gradual drop off.
@Sheddy.
Likely due to differences in DYNO used Mustang and Dynojet calculate things different.
Everyone needs to remember that horsepower is a fake number that is calculated off of torque. It is nothing more than an equation determined by the Torque curve.
#2534
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#2535
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For the stock turbo Nuke's numbers are what one would expect for the bolt ons being realistic with our turbo capacity. To us that would be a little more because we do dynojet. so after that obviously next step would be the hybrid turbo upgrade.