RC F automotive reviews thread
09-04-15, 11:41 AM
#1246
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
these youtube car review allstars are getting on my last. He basically just said he doesnt like either interior. Its like atleast pick one. I just drove a 2011 RS5 it has the same exact interior as the 2015 as well as the navigation and radio require you to take your eyes off the road. And every youtube reviewer out there hates every brands Information displays. They spend 15mins with them without being instructed how to properly use them, then complain they are cumbersome and laggy. Every new car I sell, comes with a Complimentary Technology Delivery. I have a 82 year old woman in a New NX200t with Navigation with the new touch pad. And in 30 mins she was a pro and didnt need any further assistance. 
the RS5 is more attractive than the M4 and you can feel how unevenly the RS5 is weighted. ITS SAD!
the RS5 is more attractive than the M4 and you can feel how unevenly the RS5 is weighted. ITS SAD!http://www.gtrlife.com/_/gt-r/gt-r-c...-the-year-r272
09-04-15, 12:09 PM
#1247
Hey, that was an awesome find. Wasn't expecting my baby whale to beat many of those cars either: Jaguar F-type R, Shelby GT500, and especially the Cayman S and M4. Great!!! And I bet the 2015 GTR Premium with softer suspension would be very close (or even below) the RC-F as well. Surprising the new M4 was even beat by the RS5; no wonder few praise the new platform over the old one.
Last edited by JCtx; 09-04-15 at 12:30 PM.
09-04-15, 02:15 PM
#1248
Lexus Test Driver
Hey, that was an awesome find. Wasn't expecting my baby whale to beat many of those cars either: Jaguar F-type R, Shelby GT500, and especially the Cayman S and M4. Great!!! And I bet the 2015 GTR Premium with softer suspension would be very close (or even below) the RC-F as well. Surprising the new M4 was even beat by the RS5; no wonder few praise the new platform over the old one.
This is a better example with a quicker lap time for RCF than RS5.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/circui...ours_club.html
However, regarding the other lap times, you must have noticed how the M3 is a lot quicker than the M4 when they both are the same car, basically.
It is because it is a crappy old broken short runway in Detroit, which heavily favors cars with adjustable or softer suspension. The M3 was using adjustable suspension while the M4 was on fixed suspension. The LFA also has a very poor lap time because it has a fixed and stiff suspension/chassis.
09-10-15, 09:43 AM
#1250
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
There is no question that track characteristics (in addition to driver strength and weakness) cause substantial variance.
The attached is an interesting set of comparisons from cars run at Hochenheim GP, Germany.
The attached is an interesting set of comparisons from cars run at Hochenheim GP, Germany.
RC-F indeed should be quicker than the RS5.
This is a better example with a quicker lap time for RCF than RS5.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/circui...ours_club.html
However, regarding the other lap times, you must have noticed how the M3 is a lot quicker than the M4 when they both are the same car, basically.
It is because it is a crappy old broken short runway in Detroit, which heavily favors cars with adjustable or softer suspension. The M3 was using adjustable suspension while the M4 was on fixed suspension. The LFA also has a very poor lap time because it has a fixed and stiff suspension/chassis.
This is a better example with a quicker lap time for RCF than RS5.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/circui...ours_club.html
However, regarding the other lap times, you must have noticed how the M3 is a lot quicker than the M4 when they both are the same car, basically.
It is because it is a crappy old broken short runway in Detroit, which heavily favors cars with adjustable or softer suspension. The M3 was using adjustable suspension while the M4 was on fixed suspension. The LFA also has a very poor lap time because it has a fixed and stiff suspension/chassis.
09-13-15, 12:14 AM
#1251
Lexus Test Driver
09-15-15, 02:02 PM
#1252
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
TorqueNews: How the Lexus RC F Compares to the American Muscle Cars
I recently had a chance to spend 8 days behind the wheel of the sleek, swift and luxurious Lexus RC F shortly after driving the new 2015 Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Camaro and Dodge Challenger, so rather than another basic drive review of the new Lexus sports coupe – today I look at how the RC F sizes up the American muscle cars.
Before I get into my piece looking at how the 2015 Lexus RC F lines up with the American muscle cars, I want to make a few things clear, as I can imagine the keyboard warriors preparing to lambaste me for comparing a Japanese luxury performance coupe to an American muscle car. I do not mean for this to be a direct comparison in any way, but rather a look at how one of Japan’s most popular sports cars sold in the US relates to and differs from America’s most popular sports cars. After all, they are all 2-door, rear wheel drive coupes with four seats, V8 engines and power levels in the mid to high 400 range.
However, the 2015 Lexus RC F is a luxury sports car, with just as much emphasis on comfort as performance and that leads to a car that is both far more expensive and far more luxurious than anything from the Mustang or Camaro camp, while the SRT Challenger offers some competition in terms of comforts. The RC F starts just over $63,000, which is comparable to the 707 horsepower Hellcat Challenger where the V8 Mustang and V8 Camaro start in the low 30s, so the odds are very good that most people shopping for a new RC F aren’t also considering the Mustang GT or Camaro SS, but I have met people who cross-shopped the sexy Lexus sport coupe against the American muscle cars based simply on the fact that they are all fast, rear wheel drive coupes.
Where the Lexus RC F Has No Competition
Before talking about the driving experience offered by the Lexus RC F, let’s talk about the one area where this Japanese super coupe is really unrivaled by the American muscle cars. Lexus is a premium luxury brand and with the RC F being one of their pinnacle vehicles, you would be right in guessing that the interior is truly a plush work of art, but with a sporty touch.
The leather wrapped seats look like something that came out of an exotic supercar, with deep base and side bolsters that are wide enough not to crush bigger drivers, but tight enough to keep you snugly in place during spirited cornering sessions. These seats look sporty and provide the support needed from a sporty seat, but Lexus has designed these front buckets in a way that makes them as comfortable as any luxury car bucket seat, with the rear bench seats offering a similar design, making the RC F more of a 2+2 than a traditional coupe. Add in the Mark Levinson sound system, the premium Lexus infotainment system, the automatic dual zone climate control system, the copious amounts of leather trim and the heated Lexus sport steering wheel complete with shift paddles and infotainment controls, and you have one of the most well-appointed 4-seat sports coupes sold in the world – especially when shopping for cars under $100,000.
The interior of the Lexus RC F is truly one of the nicest available in the US market, and in that regard, the Ford Mustang and Chevrolet Camaro cannot compare. Sure, you can get sporty seats, a premium sound system, a premium infotainment system and heated/cooled leather in both the Ford and Chevy muscle cars, but even when all loaded up – you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who would call them luxury level. Click here for a closer look at the seats of the RC F.
The closest competition in terms of luxury to the Lexus RC F would be the Dodge Challenger in SRT trim, as the highest level performance packages from Dodge include premium Laguna leather seats, the industry’s best infotainment system and a booming Harmon Kardon speaker system, along with a suite of impressive gadgets aside from the basic navigation setup that rivals anything from any luxury automaker. However, even the SRT Challenger will all of those goodies still feels more like a loaded muscle car than a luxury car.
Inside and out, the RC F leaves no question that it is a premium luxury car with high performance capabilities and a premium luxury price. Ultimately, if you are shopping for a 2-door sports coupe and luxury is a major focus, the Lexus RC F is going to be the far better choice than any of the American muscle cars.
On the other hand, if luxury is less important, onto the good stuff.
.RC F and Muscle Car Power
For this look at how the Lexus RC F sizes up to the modern American muscle cars, I spent time in a 2015 Ford Mustang GT Premium, a 2015 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE and a 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT 392. The Lexus is powered by a 5.0L V8 with 467 horsepower and 389lb-t of torque. The Mustang GT has a 5.0L V8 with 435 horsepower and 400lb-ft of torque, the Camaro 1LE has a 6.2L V8 with 432hp and 420lb-ft of torque and the Challenger delivers 485 horsepower and 475lb-ft of torque. The Mustang, Camaro and Challenger are all offered with your choice of a manual or automatic transmission, while the RC F is sadly only available with an 8-speed automatic, but it is a lightning quick self-shifting gearbox with shift paddles that give you an incredible level of gear control. Click here for more on the RC F transmission.
Like the Mustang GT, the Camaro 1LE and the Challenger SRT 392, the Lexus RC F has a sport tuned suspension setup and big Brembo brakes, as well as big wheels wrapped in wide, sticky tires all around. The Lexus suspension does a fine job of combining comfort and performance, but the surprising lack of driver controlled adjustability does put the RC F at a disadvantage over the Challenger SRT 392, which uses a three mode adaptive suspension system to offer the best of both worlds – performance and ride quality.
On paper, the Lexus RC F doesn’t seem all that different from the Mustang GT, Camaro 1LE or Challenger SRT 392, shy of the little gaps in ride quality, horsepower or torque, but it only takes a few minutes of driving each car to feel the difference between a Japanese luxury sports coupe and an American muscle car. All of these cars are quick off of the line, with V8 power hurdling all four cars to 60 miles per hour in the mid to low 4 second range, but the Lexus feels nothing like the muscle cars. Even when driving the RC F after the ground-hugging Camaro 1LE and Challenger SRT 392, the Lexus is far tighter to the ground, feeling far more like a supercar in how it covers ground than a muscle car. The SRT Challenger and 1LE Camaro might both offer better handling based on track times, but in terms of driving around the local roads, the Lexus feels like it has a firmer grip on the surface both when launching and cornering.
When you stomp on the throttle of the Lexus RC F from a stop, the tires chirp just a bit before the car bites and uses all 467 horsepower to rush up to speed. Shy of intentionally doing a burnout, the RC F does a great job of making use of all of that power, even when you just plain mash the pedal. In comparison, the Mustang GT and Challenger SRT 392 will quickly smoke the tires when you mash the throttle of those cars with the automatic transmission – with only the Camaro 1LE getting away from the line as confidently, but that car did so with a manual transmission, so it is harder to compare. Again, the RC F 0-60 times show that it isn’t all that much quicker than the V8 muscle cars, but the car feels like it moves out harder and more confidently, without a whole lot of unnecessary tire spin.
One area where the Lexus RC F does stand way out from the competition is during high speed cruising, as the sleek, curvy body of the RC F affords this Japanese luxury coupe better aerodynamics at high speed than any of the boxier American muscle cars. This is another one of those areas where the difference is slight, but when blasting along at high speeds, the Lexus is definitely the smoothest of the group.
The video below offers 3 minutes of driving in the RC F, shot from the bumper to get the best possible sound quality from the exhaust. Great hard launch at 1:28.
RC F, Muscle Car Handling
In terms of braking, the Lexus RC F will get stopped in a big hurry, as will the Mustang GT, the Camaro 1LE and the Challenger SRT 392, with the difference being subtle enough to not matter to most drivers, but in terms of handling, there is a big difference in the handling capabilities of the Lexus and the three American muscle cars. Even without the adaptive suspension setup of the lower performance Lexus RC350 F Sport, the RC F will carve through the tight, low speed turns and the broader, high speed corners without breaking a sweat and without beating up the occupants.
The 1LE Camaro is built for track handling, so it has a clear advantage in cornering, but it doesn’t ride anywhere near as well as the Lexus. The Mustang GT has a better ride than any past models, but it isn’t quite as smooth as the RC F, nor does the standard Mustang GT feel as nimble in the corners. The Mustang is far more fun to throw into corners, but if you want a car that sticks like glue to the tough turns – the Lexus has the real world advantage. Finally, the Challenger SRT 392 uses an adaptive 3-mode suspension setup that provides it with the greatest spread of ride quality and performance handling, so the Challenger has an advantage in both comfort and cornering – but not at the same time.
In the end, the braking capabilities of the Lexus RC F are right on par with that of the Ford Mustang GT, the Chevrolet Camaro 1LE and the Dodge Challenger SRT 392, but there are big differences in both ride quality and handling capabilities across the board. The Lexus offers a remarkable confident ride that I don’t hesitate to call supercar-like, and that is hard to find in a muscle car without stepping up to a higher end performance model. The Camaro 1LE will out corner the Lexus, but it won’t offer anywhere near the comfort level and the SRT Challenger will offer comfort or performance – but not both at the same time. Once again, if pure performance is your key concern, you might be better off looking at the new American muscle cars, but if you want a sports coupe that feels more like a supercar in how it covers the road – the RC F is an awesome driver’s car.
The Modern Performance Market is Remarkable - and So is the RC F
In closing, it should go without saying that someone who is more concerned with comfort and premium amenities would probably prefer the Lexus RC F over the Ford Mustang GT, the Chevrolet Camaro SS and the Dodge Challenger SRT 392. The issue is that the RC F starts at $63k, where the Mustang and Camaro start in the low $30k range and the SRT 392 Challenger starts in the mid $40k range, so the Lexus struggles when the comparison looks at ‘bang for the buck’. However, the fact that the Lexus RC F matches up so well with the Ford Mustang GT, the Camaro 1LE and the Challenger SRT 392 shows just how far the performance industry has grown on both sides. Never before have we had premium Japanese luxury coupes (non-supercars) that could hang with the American muscle cars in acceleration, cornering, braking and fun to drive factor while still maintaining the high level of luxury comfort that is a must in a modern Lexus vehicle.
The level at which the Lexus RC F compares with the Mustang GT, the Camaro 1LE and the Challenger SRT 392 speaks volumes of all four automakers – as the Lexus brand is reaching new levels of performance in an affordable coupe while the American muscle cars have all improved by a great deal in terms of interior amenities and ride quality.
This is a great time to be a performance car fan, whether your favorite brands come from Europe, Japan or the United States and the RC F is clearly the best non-supercar sports coupe to come out of Japan, maybe ever.
Before I get into my piece looking at how the 2015 Lexus RC F lines up with the American muscle cars, I want to make a few things clear, as I can imagine the keyboard warriors preparing to lambaste me for comparing a Japanese luxury performance coupe to an American muscle car. I do not mean for this to be a direct comparison in any way, but rather a look at how one of Japan’s most popular sports cars sold in the US relates to and differs from America’s most popular sports cars. After all, they are all 2-door, rear wheel drive coupes with four seats, V8 engines and power levels in the mid to high 400 range.
However, the 2015 Lexus RC F is a luxury sports car, with just as much emphasis on comfort as performance and that leads to a car that is both far more expensive and far more luxurious than anything from the Mustang or Camaro camp, while the SRT Challenger offers some competition in terms of comforts. The RC F starts just over $63,000, which is comparable to the 707 horsepower Hellcat Challenger where the V8 Mustang and V8 Camaro start in the low 30s, so the odds are very good that most people shopping for a new RC F aren’t also considering the Mustang GT or Camaro SS, but I have met people who cross-shopped the sexy Lexus sport coupe against the American muscle cars based simply on the fact that they are all fast, rear wheel drive coupes.
Where the Lexus RC F Has No Competition
Before talking about the driving experience offered by the Lexus RC F, let’s talk about the one area where this Japanese super coupe is really unrivaled by the American muscle cars. Lexus is a premium luxury brand and with the RC F being one of their pinnacle vehicles, you would be right in guessing that the interior is truly a plush work of art, but with a sporty touch.
The leather wrapped seats look like something that came out of an exotic supercar, with deep base and side bolsters that are wide enough not to crush bigger drivers, but tight enough to keep you snugly in place during spirited cornering sessions. These seats look sporty and provide the support needed from a sporty seat, but Lexus has designed these front buckets in a way that makes them as comfortable as any luxury car bucket seat, with the rear bench seats offering a similar design, making the RC F more of a 2+2 than a traditional coupe. Add in the Mark Levinson sound system, the premium Lexus infotainment system, the automatic dual zone climate control system, the copious amounts of leather trim and the heated Lexus sport steering wheel complete with shift paddles and infotainment controls, and you have one of the most well-appointed 4-seat sports coupes sold in the world – especially when shopping for cars under $100,000.
The interior of the Lexus RC F is truly one of the nicest available in the US market, and in that regard, the Ford Mustang and Chevrolet Camaro cannot compare. Sure, you can get sporty seats, a premium sound system, a premium infotainment system and heated/cooled leather in both the Ford and Chevy muscle cars, but even when all loaded up – you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who would call them luxury level. Click here for a closer look at the seats of the RC F.
The closest competition in terms of luxury to the Lexus RC F would be the Dodge Challenger in SRT trim, as the highest level performance packages from Dodge include premium Laguna leather seats, the industry’s best infotainment system and a booming Harmon Kardon speaker system, along with a suite of impressive gadgets aside from the basic navigation setup that rivals anything from any luxury automaker. However, even the SRT Challenger will all of those goodies still feels more like a loaded muscle car than a luxury car.
Inside and out, the RC F leaves no question that it is a premium luxury car with high performance capabilities and a premium luxury price. Ultimately, if you are shopping for a 2-door sports coupe and luxury is a major focus, the Lexus RC F is going to be the far better choice than any of the American muscle cars.
On the other hand, if luxury is less important, onto the good stuff.
.RC F and Muscle Car Power
For this look at how the Lexus RC F sizes up to the modern American muscle cars, I spent time in a 2015 Ford Mustang GT Premium, a 2015 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE and a 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT 392. The Lexus is powered by a 5.0L V8 with 467 horsepower and 389lb-t of torque. The Mustang GT has a 5.0L V8 with 435 horsepower and 400lb-ft of torque, the Camaro 1LE has a 6.2L V8 with 432hp and 420lb-ft of torque and the Challenger delivers 485 horsepower and 475lb-ft of torque. The Mustang, Camaro and Challenger are all offered with your choice of a manual or automatic transmission, while the RC F is sadly only available with an 8-speed automatic, but it is a lightning quick self-shifting gearbox with shift paddles that give you an incredible level of gear control. Click here for more on the RC F transmission.
Like the Mustang GT, the Camaro 1LE and the Challenger SRT 392, the Lexus RC F has a sport tuned suspension setup and big Brembo brakes, as well as big wheels wrapped in wide, sticky tires all around. The Lexus suspension does a fine job of combining comfort and performance, but the surprising lack of driver controlled adjustability does put the RC F at a disadvantage over the Challenger SRT 392, which uses a three mode adaptive suspension system to offer the best of both worlds – performance and ride quality.
On paper, the Lexus RC F doesn’t seem all that different from the Mustang GT, Camaro 1LE or Challenger SRT 392, shy of the little gaps in ride quality, horsepower or torque, but it only takes a few minutes of driving each car to feel the difference between a Japanese luxury sports coupe and an American muscle car. All of these cars are quick off of the line, with V8 power hurdling all four cars to 60 miles per hour in the mid to low 4 second range, but the Lexus feels nothing like the muscle cars. Even when driving the RC F after the ground-hugging Camaro 1LE and Challenger SRT 392, the Lexus is far tighter to the ground, feeling far more like a supercar in how it covers ground than a muscle car. The SRT Challenger and 1LE Camaro might both offer better handling based on track times, but in terms of driving around the local roads, the Lexus feels like it has a firmer grip on the surface both when launching and cornering.
When you stomp on the throttle of the Lexus RC F from a stop, the tires chirp just a bit before the car bites and uses all 467 horsepower to rush up to speed. Shy of intentionally doing a burnout, the RC F does a great job of making use of all of that power, even when you just plain mash the pedal. In comparison, the Mustang GT and Challenger SRT 392 will quickly smoke the tires when you mash the throttle of those cars with the automatic transmission – with only the Camaro 1LE getting away from the line as confidently, but that car did so with a manual transmission, so it is harder to compare. Again, the RC F 0-60 times show that it isn’t all that much quicker than the V8 muscle cars, but the car feels like it moves out harder and more confidently, without a whole lot of unnecessary tire spin.
One area where the Lexus RC F does stand way out from the competition is during high speed cruising, as the sleek, curvy body of the RC F affords this Japanese luxury coupe better aerodynamics at high speed than any of the boxier American muscle cars. This is another one of those areas where the difference is slight, but when blasting along at high speeds, the Lexus is definitely the smoothest of the group.
The video below offers 3 minutes of driving in the RC F, shot from the bumper to get the best possible sound quality from the exhaust. Great hard launch at 1:28.
RC F, Muscle Car Handling
In terms of braking, the Lexus RC F will get stopped in a big hurry, as will the Mustang GT, the Camaro 1LE and the Challenger SRT 392, with the difference being subtle enough to not matter to most drivers, but in terms of handling, there is a big difference in the handling capabilities of the Lexus and the three American muscle cars. Even without the adaptive suspension setup of the lower performance Lexus RC350 F Sport, the RC F will carve through the tight, low speed turns and the broader, high speed corners without breaking a sweat and without beating up the occupants.
The 1LE Camaro is built for track handling, so it has a clear advantage in cornering, but it doesn’t ride anywhere near as well as the Lexus. The Mustang GT has a better ride than any past models, but it isn’t quite as smooth as the RC F, nor does the standard Mustang GT feel as nimble in the corners. The Mustang is far more fun to throw into corners, but if you want a car that sticks like glue to the tough turns – the Lexus has the real world advantage. Finally, the Challenger SRT 392 uses an adaptive 3-mode suspension setup that provides it with the greatest spread of ride quality and performance handling, so the Challenger has an advantage in both comfort and cornering – but not at the same time.
In the end, the braking capabilities of the Lexus RC F are right on par with that of the Ford Mustang GT, the Chevrolet Camaro 1LE and the Dodge Challenger SRT 392, but there are big differences in both ride quality and handling capabilities across the board. The Lexus offers a remarkable confident ride that I don’t hesitate to call supercar-like, and that is hard to find in a muscle car without stepping up to a higher end performance model. The Camaro 1LE will out corner the Lexus, but it won’t offer anywhere near the comfort level and the SRT Challenger will offer comfort or performance – but not both at the same time. Once again, if pure performance is your key concern, you might be better off looking at the new American muscle cars, but if you want a sports coupe that feels more like a supercar in how it covers the road – the RC F is an awesome driver’s car.
The Modern Performance Market is Remarkable - and So is the RC F
In closing, it should go without saying that someone who is more concerned with comfort and premium amenities would probably prefer the Lexus RC F over the Ford Mustang GT, the Chevrolet Camaro SS and the Dodge Challenger SRT 392. The issue is that the RC F starts at $63k, where the Mustang and Camaro start in the low $30k range and the SRT 392 Challenger starts in the mid $40k range, so the Lexus struggles when the comparison looks at ‘bang for the buck’. However, the fact that the Lexus RC F matches up so well with the Ford Mustang GT, the Camaro 1LE and the Challenger SRT 392 shows just how far the performance industry has grown on both sides. Never before have we had premium Japanese luxury coupes (non-supercars) that could hang with the American muscle cars in acceleration, cornering, braking and fun to drive factor while still maintaining the high level of luxury comfort that is a must in a modern Lexus vehicle.
The level at which the Lexus RC F compares with the Mustang GT, the Camaro 1LE and the Challenger SRT 392 speaks volumes of all four automakers – as the Lexus brand is reaching new levels of performance in an affordable coupe while the American muscle cars have all improved by a great deal in terms of interior amenities and ride quality.
This is a great time to be a performance car fan, whether your favorite brands come from Europe, Japan or the United States and the RC F is clearly the best non-supercar sports coupe to come out of Japan, maybe ever.
Or at least tell us in a few words what was the verdict
, as most translator programs are crap IMO. Thx.
09-24-15, 11:35 PM
#1256
Driver School Candidate
Written article will be done after.
09-25-15, 07:27 AM
#1257
09-27-15, 03:47 PM
#1258
Lexus Test Driver
09-27-15, 09:23 PM
#1259
I also agree it's the best review by far. And quite comprehensive. Started expecting to stop at the 5 minute mark at best, and actually went thru it all. I didn't quite agree with the infotainment being a 'turd'. I hated the mouse-like crap on other Lexus cars, but this touchpad is not that bad. The voice command is crap, at least with my accent. Ha ha.... but don't like them anyway. The only thing sorely missing is a button for the map. I like to change quickly between music and map when needed, and can't do that on this car. All and all, the infotainment is not excellent on this car, but not a 'turd' either IMO. Oh, and he labeled the stereo as crap except at high volume levels. It's not the best I've heard either, but much better than average IMO... as long as you stay away from XM, which sounds tinny as hell. I also liked to hear what a few others have said before: tranny downshifts pretty quickly when driving aggressively (high rpm) in sport+ expert mode. Upshifts are quite acceptable even in normal manual mode, and actually quite aggressive for an auto car (I like that) when not driven too hard, so that's why I only mentioned downshifts. Can't wait to try all kinds of combinations in a few hundred miles more
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Last edited by JCtx; 09-27-15 at 09:26 PM.
09-28-15, 06:03 AM
#1260
I also agree it's the best review by far. And quite comprehensive. Started expecting to stop at the 5 minute mark at best, and actually went thru it all. I didn't quite agree with the infotainment being a 'turd'. I hated the mouse-like crap on other Lexus cars, but this touchpad is not that bad. The voice command is crap, at least with my accent. Ha ha.... but don't like them anyway. The only thing sorely missing is a button for the map. I like to change quickly between music and map when needed, and can't do that on this car. All and all, the infotainment is not excellent on this car, but not a 'turd' either IMO. Oh, and he labeled the stereo as crap except at high volume levels. It's not the best I've heard either, but much better than average IMO... as long as you stay away from XM, which sounds tinny as hell. I also liked to hear what a few others have said before: tranny downshifts pretty quickly when driving aggressively (high rpm) in sport+ expert mode. Upshifts are quite acceptable even in normal manual mode, and actually quite aggressive for an auto car (I like that) when not driven too hard, so that's why I only mentioned downshifts. Can't wait to try all kinds of combinations in a few hundred miles more.
.I have to agree with the comment on the ML. At the same SOUND settings, the ML on the GX460 and the LS460 I traded are a lot better. With so much more wattage, the RC F, ML is disappointing.