Lexus is learning about supply and demand...but GSF :/
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Lexus is learning about supply and demand...but GSF :/
Total unsold units according to cars.com
GSF 477
RCF 318 (including 2015s)
2015 RCF 163
Used RCF 96
What i'm predicting is after all the 2015s are sold, the resell value of rcf will stabilize. Currently a trade-in RCF fetches 50k, and dealer lists 59-60k. So the RCF lost about 31% first year
Hopefully Lexus caps off production or else we will see a rerun at year end of 20% discount.
GSF 477
RCF 318 (including 2015s)
2015 RCF 163
Used RCF 96
What i'm predicting is after all the 2015s are sold, the resell value of rcf will stabilize. Currently a trade-in RCF fetches 50k, and dealer lists 59-60k. So the RCF lost about 31% first year
Hopefully Lexus caps off production or else we will see a rerun at year end of 20% discount.
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Total unsold units according to cars.com
GSF 477
RCF 318 (including 2015s)
2015 RCF 163
Used RCF 96
What i'm predicting is after all the 2015s are sold, the resell value of rcf will stabilize. Currently a trade-in RCF fetches 50k, and dealer lists 59-60k. So the RCF lost about 31% first year
Hopefully Lexus caps off production or else we will see a rerun at year end of 20% discount.
GSF 477
RCF 318 (including 2015s)
2015 RCF 163
Used RCF 96
What i'm predicting is after all the 2015s are sold, the resell value of rcf will stabilize. Currently a trade-in RCF fetches 50k, and dealer lists 59-60k. So the RCF lost about 31% first year
Hopefully Lexus caps off production or else we will see a rerun at year end of 20% discount.
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Based on what carmax told me how much they bought the car for and listing it for (59k for 73k sticker RCF with 10k miles). Also I visited my dealer and they had one listed for 59k. Dealers always pay 2-3k less than what carmax offers, but a buyer will benefit more from the tax credit trading it in.
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Based on what carmax told me how much they bought the car for and listing it for (59k for 73k sticker RCF with 10k miles). Also I visited my dealer and they had one listed for 59k. Dealers always pay 2-3k less than what carmax offers, but a buyer will benefit more from the tax credit trading it in.
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News flash it costs money to certify. At least a couple grand. New tires, all fluid change, new brakes, and any body work repairs. Therefore the dealer will always offer less for a trade in and sell higher than Carmax.
With at least 3 years basic warranty left with Lexus quality, certified warranty isn't a strong sell incentive for buyers unlike German brands
With at least 3 years basic warranty left with Lexus quality, certified warranty isn't a strong sell incentive for buyers unlike German brands
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Total unsold units according to cars.com
GSF 477
RCF 318 (including 2015s)
2015 RCF 163
Used RCF 96
What i'm predicting is after all the 2015s are sold, the resell value of rcf will stabilize. Currently a trade-in RCF fetches 50k, and dealer lists 59-60k. So the RCF lost about 31% first year
Hopefully Lexus caps off production or else we will see a rerun at year end of 20% discount.
GSF 477
RCF 318 (including 2015s)
2015 RCF 163
Used RCF 96
What i'm predicting is after all the 2015s are sold, the resell value of rcf will stabilize. Currently a trade-in RCF fetches 50k, and dealer lists 59-60k. So the RCF lost about 31% first year
Hopefully Lexus caps off production or else we will see a rerun at year end of 20% discount.
An ATS-V with 464HP is going for $60k brand new. You step into the $80s and you're looking at a world ending 640HP CTS-V
Hell, even the 445hp BMW 550i starts at $67k
The RCF is better priced at $60-$65 new
GSF $65-70 new.
Lexus had a great idea that they took too long to implement.
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News flash it costs money to certify. At least a couple grand. New tires, all fluid change, new brakes, and any body work repairs. Therefore the dealer will always offer less for a trade in and sell higher than Carmax.
With at least 3 years basic warranty left with Lexus quality, certified warranty isn't a strong sell incentive for buyers unlike German brands
With at least 3 years basic warranty left with Lexus quality, certified warranty isn't a strong sell incentive for buyers unlike German brands
And for the record, Carmax offered me $33k for my trade and the dealer ended up giving me $38.5k, so I did better by trading it in, plus I got the tax credit on top of that. Maybe your experience is true for your region, however, most dealers I've dealt with will match Carmax offers.
And I got a good deal on my car- 2015 with all options except carbon (it was an early model, so it had a TVD and a sunroof- a combo I really wanted) and I got it for $61k in Jan. I think original sticker was $78k.
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I love both cars, but they're priced too high with the competition creating beasts.
An ATS-V with 464HP is going for $60k brand new. You step into the $80s and you're looking at a world ending 640HP CTS-V
Hell, even the 445hp BMW 550i starts at $67k
The RCF is better priced at $60-$65 new
GSF $65-70 new.
Lexus had a great idea that they took too long to implement.
An ATS-V with 464HP is going for $60k brand new. You step into the $80s and you're looking at a world ending 640HP CTS-V
Hell, even the 445hp BMW 550i starts at $67k
The RCF is better priced at $60-$65 new
GSF $65-70 new.
Lexus had a great idea that they took too long to implement.
In the 2 years/14k miles I owned my 2011 CTS-V the piece of crap was in the shop for 8 weeks total. Cadillac customer service wouldn't do anything to make up for this except to tell me that they were "sorry the car didn't meet my expectations."
So, in this case, I think you get what you pay for. The interior of the RC-F is superior, it doesn't squeak, rattle and make weird noises that the dealer says are "normal."
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Cadillac can suck a fat one as far as I'm concerned. I will never buy another Cadillac or GM vehicle. Ever.
In the 2 years/14k miles I owned my 2011 CTS-V the piece of crap was in the shop for 8 weeks total. Cadillac customer service wouldn't do anything to make up for this except to tell me that they were "sorry the car didn't meet my expectations."
So, in this case, I think you get what you pay for. The interior of the RC-F is superior, it doesn't squeak, rattle and make weird noises that the dealer says are "normal."
In the 2 years/14k miles I owned my 2011 CTS-V the piece of crap was in the shop for 8 weeks total. Cadillac customer service wouldn't do anything to make up for this except to tell me that they were "sorry the car didn't meet my expectations."
So, in this case, I think you get what you pay for. The interior of the RC-F is superior, it doesn't squeak, rattle and make weird noises that the dealer says are "normal."
Being priced $5-10k over the ATSV but $15k under the CTSV makes sense to me.
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News flash it costs money to certify. At least a couple grand. New tires, all fluid change, new brakes, and any body work repairs. Therefore the dealer will always offer less for a trade in and sell higher than Carmax.
With at least 3 years basic warranty left with Lexus quality, certified warranty isn't a strong sell incentive for buyers unlike German brands
With at least 3 years basic warranty left with Lexus quality, certified warranty isn't a strong sell incentive for buyers unlike German brands
Last edited by Hoovey689; 03-27-16 at 12:58 AM.
#13
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News flash. Lexus certification changes the warranty to 6 years, unlimited mileage on everything (bumper to bumper and powertrain), so a certified car is actually better than new as far as the warranty goes. I bought my car certified and it had 6,900 miles on it. Pretty sure it didn't cost the dealer much to certify it.
And for the record, Carmax offered me $33k for my trade and the dealer ended up giving me $38.5k, so I did better by trading it in, plus I got the tax credit on top of that. Maybe your experience is true for your region, however, most dealers I've dealt with will match Carmax offers.
And I got a good deal on my car- 2015 with all options except carbon (it was an early model, so it had a TVD and a sunroof- a combo I really wanted) and I got it for $61k in Jan. I think original sticker was $78k.
And for the record, Carmax offered me $33k for my trade and the dealer ended up giving me $38.5k, so I did better by trading it in, plus I got the tax credit on top of that. Maybe your experience is true for your region, however, most dealers I've dealt with will match Carmax offers.
And I got a good deal on my car- 2015 with all options except carbon (it was an early model, so it had a TVD and a sunroof- a combo I really wanted) and I got it for $61k in Jan. I think original sticker was $78k.
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I want a GS F, but despite being a "better" car, I still think its overpriced for what you get. I'm hoping in the next month or so, the dealers realize its a repeat of what happened with the RC F. If not, I can always wait lol
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