Doug Demuro: Here’s Why the Lexus RC-F Has Been a Total Flop
07-24-18, 01:30 PM
#106
Lexus Test Driver
I hope no one here buys the M3/4. It sounds like ******, isn’t reliable, doesn’t hold its value, and will be replaced soon. The fact that you have a problem with a competitor being better than your car in a measure of performance is the problem.
The RCF is a great car. It fits what most performance oriented Lexus buyers were looking for and it has reliability the Germans couldn’t dream of, but in a straight line, stock vs stock or modified vs modified the BMW wins. And come on dude, it’s 2018 tons of cars run 11s now, not just supercars.
Here are the numbers since you ask for them:
-competely stock on 93 octane from a reputable magazine (C&D): 12.0 @119.3 mph
-completely stock on 103 octane: 11.66 https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9#post16760346
-tune only: 11.0 @ 126 mph https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DdBNiIepg2g
-current record: 9.8 @ 145 https://youtu.be/PzQ188rj8dM
That is why I posted that video. It shows on the same day, same track with the same track traction compound, a true 11 seconds car will run quicker than its magazine time. For example, on the same race track side by side, if an M4 runs 11.8 stock, the GTR stock will run 10.7 - 10.8 seconds bone stock because of the added traction with the compound prep'ed track. Difference will remain constant. Who with common sense would believes a 10 speed automatic will run 0.8 seconds quicker than the identical version of this car with 6 speed manual?
The video I posted above, shows a HUGE difference between a low-11s GTR and an M4 (and RCF). A few tenths, is a few car lengths. This is way more than 1 seconds difference. Same day, same surface and same temperature.
My stating that a rival is better than your car in some areas sure sets you off. The word fanboy comes to mind.
I guess, I must be a fanboy for questioning you posting a tuned + race gas M4 video as stock?
At least, I own an RCF and understand my car's capabilities rather than being delusional about a car that I don't own or don't know anything about. What do you drive or you simply are lurking this site to just make a mockery out of the thread?
Last edited by 05RollaXRS; 07-24-18 at 01:53 PM.
07-24-18, 02:05 PM
#107
That is why I posted that video. It shows on the same day, same track with the same track traction compound, a true 11 seconds car will run quicker than its magazine time. For example, on the same race track side by side, if an M4 runs 11.8 stock, the GTR stock will run 10.7 - 10.8 seconds bone stock. Difference will remain constant. You are the gullible one here who believes a 10 speed automatic will run 0.8 seconds quicker than the identical version of this car with 6 speed manual.
The video I posted above, shows a HUGE difference between a low-11s GTR and an M4 (and RCF). If you truly believe it is just a few tenths, that is even more laughable than I thought.
At least, I own an RCF and understand my car's capabilities rather than being delusional about a car that I don't own or don't know anything about. What do you drive or you simply are lurking this site to just make a mockery out of the thread?
The video I posted above, shows a HUGE difference between a low-11s GTR and an M4 (and RCF). If you truly believe it is just a few tenths, that is even more laughable than I thought.
At least, I own an RCF and understand my car's capabilities rather than being delusional about a car that I don't own or don't know anything about. What do you drive or you simply are lurking this site to just make a mockery out of the thread?
I worked for Lexus while I was in college, very familiar with the brand and the RCF. I have driven 3 RCFs in the past few years.
Since you want to have a measuring contest, here is my 668 whp CTS-V 10.44 @134
I’m going to move on from this thread as you seem to attack every comment that doesn’t praise the RCF, which means you are a fanboy and that’s fine.
Best of luck.
Last edited by TXgearhead; 07-24-18 at 02:08 PM.
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ragingf80 (07-25-18)
07-24-18, 02:12 PM
#108
Instructor
Cmon. Time To Move On
That is why I posted that video. It shows on the same day, same track with the same track traction compound, a true 11 seconds car will run quicker than its magazine time. For example, on the same race track side by side, if an M4 runs 11.8 stock, the GTR stock will run 10.7 - 10.8 seconds bone stock because of the added traction with the compound prep'ed track. Difference will remain constant. Who with common sense would believes a 10 speed automatic will run 0.8 seconds quicker than the identical version of this car with 6 speed manual?
The video I posted above, shows a HUGE difference between a low-11s GTR and an M4 (and RCF). A few tenths, is a few car lengths. This is way more than 1 seconds difference. Same day, same surface and same temperature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwXkM4QSLb8
I guess, I must be a fanboy for questioning you posting a tuned + race gas M4 video as stock?
At least, I own an RCF and understand my car's capabilities rather than being delusional about a car that I don't own or don't know anything about. What do you drive or you simply are lurking this site to just make a mockery out of the thread?
The video I posted above, shows a HUGE difference between a low-11s GTR and an M4 (and RCF). A few tenths, is a few car lengths. This is way more than 1 seconds difference. Same day, same surface and same temperature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwXkM4QSLb8
I guess, I must be a fanboy for questioning you posting a tuned + race gas M4 video as stock?
At least, I own an RCF and understand my car's capabilities rather than being delusional about a car that I don't own or don't know anything about. What do you drive or you simply are lurking this site to just make a mockery out of the thread?
Close this ridiculous thread down please!!
Was going to ask WTF it's still going on about, but saw that question 15 posts ago! Like I said. This is comical. Shut it off or it'll go on past the 2020 RCF changes!
07-24-18, 02:13 PM
#109
Lexus Test Driver
Even if it was a prep'ed track, the GTR would simply vanish stock for stock. The difference is at least around 1 seconds no matter what. Maybe, a couple of car lengths less aggressively, it will not account for the massive difference it had with the RCF and M4 stock. Even for MT or RT PCOTY head-to-head comparison, RCF and M4 were within 0.2 - 0.4 seconds of each other. IMCHIA has a video of him hanging dead-even from a roll with a stock M4 while he had an exhaust.
I’m going to move on from this thread as you seem to attack every comment that doesn’t praise the RCF, which means you are a fanboy and that’s fine.
Best of luck.
Best of luck.
Bye. I would be a fanboy, if I were trying to prove my car is better than another car. I don't believe RCF is better than an M4 unless it is interior, engine noise, reliability etc. M4 is tuned better for the track while RCF offers better balance. I am just questioning the videos you post. Next time, instead of disrespecting and calling me a "fanboy", learn the lesson of not posting a modified car video as bone stock in an attempt to exaggerate the difference.
Last edited by 05RollaXRS; 07-24-18 at 02:26 PM.
07-24-18, 02:13 PM
#110
To say the M4 wins even if the RCF was modified is misleading and fanboyish. "Run what you brung" and you don't know what the other guy has under the hood. Claiming stock is another story. Supercharged RCF are low 11, high 10 also, but trapping higher than 126 and WITHOUT launch control, which is useless from a roll. No rules with modded cars as cash is the limiting factor. Someone with deep pockets could build the RCF block, lower compression and turn up boost and the same can be done to BMW. That's why true racers don't say things like that. That last video was cut before the official time was shown. You know what that means.
We should stick to stock vs stock where enough proven data exists.
We should stick to stock vs stock where enough proven data exists.
07-24-18, 03:04 PM
#111
Wish someone would kill this thread already. Lol. The only one who has won here is Doug DeMuro and he's laughing all the way to the bank. That's why he is a master at what he does. Create a provocative review that would create intense controversy, sit back, bring out the popcorn and watch the blood letting along with bruised ego's duke it out.
07-24-18, 03:08 PM
#112
Wish someone would kill this thread already. Lol. The only one who has won here is Doug DeMuro and he's laughing all the way to the bank. That's why he is a master at what he does. Create a provocative review that would create intense controversy, sit back, bring out the popcorn and watch the blood letting along with bruised ego's duke it out.
07-24-18, 04:25 PM
#113
Great thread! I am off to Youtube to watch Mustangs get wrecked leaving car and coffee events.
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ragingf80 (07-25-18)
07-24-18, 07:31 PM
#114
That's one of the few cars that I've Never owned, but man do they get some Bad (guess if I looked at all the crashes on youtube they wouldn't be considered Bad though, maybe justified) raps when leaving those car get togethers! Lol
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