Buyers Remorse?
#16
I've been participating on car discussion forums for nearly 20yrs. Some are way more mature than others. Some sections of the same forum are more mature. And yes, it is usually directly linked to the make and model of the car. I'm obviously biased, but the IS F and RC F sections of CL have a lot of mature, thoughtful and helpful participants. I've owned a lot of different vehicles and think I'm fair about the pros and cons of each.
Thanks for indulging that trip down memory lane.
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Dribble (06-27-19)
#18
Lexus Test Driver
Now that hot weather is here and the tires are really up to temp while driving, it is hard to understate the overall brilliance of the car. My preferred pressure of 39 psi rear and 37 psi really keeps the front end loaded through turn and the steering always remains very sharp. The stiff rear end makes the car feel like it is on rails while being a bit playful. I just drove it today and got back home really smitten by the fun experiences. Moments that are few, short and far between really make the whole driving experience including the remaining sedate one's so much more fun.
Waiting for a left turn going up the hill, I got off the line holding it in first gear (manual, sport+, slalom) through the left and car went ike it was on rails and as soon as I exit out, I punched it to 70% throttle straightening it out uphill and the Invidia screamed as the car kicked the tail out a bit and then rocketed uphill and part throttle I shifted up to second gear below redline as it slammed the next gear in and then I let off. The whole thing was probably 15 seconds, but was an exhilarating experience that made me think about it all the way back home.
Waiting for a left turn going up the hill, I got off the line holding it in first gear (manual, sport+, slalom) through the left and car went ike it was on rails and as soon as I exit out, I punched it to 70% throttle straightening it out uphill and the Invidia screamed as the car kicked the tail out a bit and then rocketed uphill and part throttle I shifted up to second gear below redline as it slammed the next gear in and then I let off. The whole thing was probably 15 seconds, but was an exhilarating experience that made me think about it all the way back home.
#19
In Calgary I think you mean it's finally lukewarm out. It's 110 in AZ right now But yeah, warm weather always makes a car feel like it's on rails compared to winter. So much grip!!!
#20
Lexus Test Driver
Yeah, it has been raining a lot lately so today it was warm/sunny at about 24 - 25 C (75 - 77 F) and clear skies. The asphalt has heated up quite a bit so after driving for about 15 minutes or so, I could really feel the tires getting quite a lot of temperature in them. As I have quite a lot of gripe with the stock super sports not having extra load sidewalls, they stiffen up quite nicely once the temperature is hot like it was today. I have one more season left on them and then will be moving up to Pilot Sport 4S with XL sidewalls.
#21
Tech Info Resource
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Someday you should go to a racetrack and find out what getting tires hot really means. This is just not possible on a public road. When you measure north of 160F with a contact pyrometer across the tread on a street drive, post pictures here. I'll eat my words. Until then, you're no where close to hot. You're just not as cold as you were, and PSS, PS4S, PS Cup, etc. all suck when they're cold compared to when they are at full temperature.
Pirelli says this about their slicks:
This is pretty typical in the industry.
Pirelli says this about their slicks:
Originally Posted by Pirelli SpA
SLICK tires – optimum tread temperature is between 160°F and 220°F. The temperature should never be higher than 250°F.The temperature difference between the inside shoulder and outside shoulder of the tires should not be greater than 40°F
#22
Lexus Test Driver
Lance,
You gave me something to aspire to!
My typical tire temp coming off track in the summer is around 140-150 with pyrometer. Thought I had them hot enough. Guess I need to push harder...
But there’s always that cool down lap before I can pit and check. Wonder how much the tire actually cools during that lap? Any insight?
I definitely don’t get 40 degrees difference from inside to outside so I think my camber is set decent. Usually it’s about 10-15 degrees. Thoughts?
You gave me something to aspire to!
My typical tire temp coming off track in the summer is around 140-150 with pyrometer. Thought I had them hot enough. Guess I need to push harder...
But there’s always that cool down lap before I can pit and check. Wonder how much the tire actually cools during that lap? Any insight?
I definitely don’t get 40 degrees difference from inside to outside so I think my camber is set decent. Usually it’s about 10-15 degrees. Thoughts?
#23
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We're always shooting for dead even, but it rarely happens. These temps are measured directly off the track with a contact pyrometer. The IR devices aren't nearly as accurate, so you could be a little cool, but probably not too much.
#24
Lexus Test Driver
I’m using a pyrometer. Just that I can’t come off track hot since everyone always runs a cool down lap. Guess I can pit early and check but never want to give up the track time.
Just wondering if you had experience with that and know roughly how much a tire would cool during that cool down lap so I can add that back to the tire temp reading.
Just wondering if you had experience with that and know roughly how much a tire would cool during that cool down lap so I can add that back to the tire temp reading.
#25
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I've never tried to figure that out. It would require a hot stop and a cool down on the same day. Like you said, no desire to give up track time.
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Mingofish (07-05-19)
#26
No remorse...but I have started eyeballing the 2020's and even thought about chasing a TE after seeing it in person. Must resist the impulse buy....
I've had my 2017 for only 3 months and logged more than 3,000 miles - it's not my daily. Those miles are all joy rides. If the build quality is anything like my Toyota's (expecting better) then I should be able to run it to 125k miles without even breaking a $weat. That's the current plan.
Taking it in soon for the first service since I've owned it. Will be asking to do the LSB's for display and brake squeak. I have some window rubber molding that's tweaking so we'll see if they'll replace that.
I've had my 2017 for only 3 months and logged more than 3,000 miles - it's not my daily. Those miles are all joy rides. If the build quality is anything like my Toyota's (expecting better) then I should be able to run it to 125k miles without even breaking a $weat. That's the current plan.
Taking it in soon for the first service since I've owned it. Will be asking to do the LSB's for display and brake squeak. I have some window rubber molding that's tweaking so we'll see if they'll replace that.
#27
no regrets on my '17 except I used it as a daily driver and burned through a quarter tank a day. After checking out the new 2020 RCF though, I would definitely get it over the previous models since it has a ton of improvements including the new design, plus the much needed launch control.
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