ISF vs RCF Pricing
10-23-19, 05:07 PM
#2
Lexus Test Driver
It has been discussed a lot in the past. Too many variables in your question. There were only two trim levels available in the ISF. RCF has far more trim levels and stand-alone option. The price spread of the RCF was from $64,000 all the way up to $81,000 for the carbon/TVD RCF in the US. A base model RCF with less options, higher mileage, depending on condition of the car and whether it has been in an accident, can be cheaper than ISF with low mileage and fully optioned out etc.
I had explored a mint condition 2012 ISF (white, package 2) at the dealership before I purchased my RCF (2015, Carbon/TVD, fully optioned out) and the price difference was $16,000 CAD back in 2017. The ISF had 28,000 KM and my RCF had 13,900 KM.
I had explored a mint condition 2012 ISF (white, package 2) at the dealership before I purchased my RCF (2015, Carbon/TVD, fully optioned out) and the price difference was $16,000 CAD back in 2017. The ISF had 28,000 KM and my RCF had 13,900 KM.
Last edited by 05RollaXRS; 10-23-19 at 05:31 PM.
10-23-19, 05:44 PM
#3
The ISF has 4 doors and the add in Kelly Blue book is enormous for the 2 back doors.
10-23-19, 06:10 PM
#4
It has been discussed a lot in the past. Too many variables in your question. There were only two trim levels available in the ISF. RCF has far more trim levels and stand-alone option. The price spread of the RCF was from $64,000 all the way up to $81,000 for the carbon/TVD RCF in the US. A base model RCF with less options, higher mileage, depending on condition of the car and whether it has been in an accident, can be cheaper than ISF with low mileage and fully optioned out etc.
I had explored a mint condition 2012 ISF (white, package 2) at the dealership before I purchased my RCF (2015, Carbon/TVD, fully optioned out) and the price difference was $16,000 CAD back in 2017. The ISF had 28,000 KM and my RCF had 13,900 KM.
I had explored a mint condition 2012 ISF (white, package 2) at the dealership before I purchased my RCF (2015, Carbon/TVD, fully optioned out) and the price difference was $16,000 CAD back in 2017. The ISF had 28,000 KM and my RCF had 13,900 KM.
10-23-19, 06:16 PM
#5
Lexus Test Driver
Holistically, here is a good cross section of the overall market across various states.
ISF market value right now (2008 - 2014) is from $18,000 - $34,000 according to AutoTrader.
Here are listings of all ISFs available on Carfax.
https://www.carfax.com/Used-Lexus-IS-F_t3861
Here are all of the RCFs available on Carfax and a good cross section of the asking price across various states.
https://www.carfax.com/Used-Lexus-RC-F_t6619
Last edited by 05RollaXRS; 10-23-19 at 06:36 PM.
10-23-19, 07:06 PM
#7
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10-23-19, 10:03 PM
#8
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There are a ton of 2008 IS Fs. Not so much of any of the later model years, so they've managed to hold some value in the marketplace.
RC F didn't start out on a good path. First year models were being sold at huge discounts because Lexus produced too many and didn't market the car well. In fact, IMHO, the entire line of F cars have suffered from poor marketing and poor distinction from the F Sport models in the motoring public's mind. Only the folks you find here on CL have a clue about what it means to own an F car. Just last week I had some guy at the "hand wash only" car wash call for the black Lexus F Sport - my IS F (followed by a 458 Italia). I chastised him for calling my car an F Sport!
Yes, the RC F had a field day with configuration options, and again, IMHO, it made for slow sales in an already slow market segment. Magazine and online reviews did little to help, and Lexus themselves failed to understand the importance of light weight (even the LFA is pretty porky for a supercar - the US LFA outweighs my hardtop Supra, the last Toyota they made a big deal about weight savings in their advertising campaigns). Had they held the line at 3750 lbs with a better engine than the IS F, they'd've had a major winner on the track, in the magazines, and in the showroom with the crowd we are - the enthusiasts. I would have sold my Supra to buy one if they'd done that.
So IS Fs are holding their value. Seems a little odd to me, but I have almost 170k miles on mine and it's still a fun drive every day. It only needed the OS Giken LSD to make it complete. Worth every dollar it cost.
RC F didn't start out on a good path. First year models were being sold at huge discounts because Lexus produced too many and didn't market the car well. In fact, IMHO, the entire line of F cars have suffered from poor marketing and poor distinction from the F Sport models in the motoring public's mind. Only the folks you find here on CL have a clue about what it means to own an F car. Just last week I had some guy at the "hand wash only" car wash call for the black Lexus F Sport - my IS F (followed by a 458 Italia). I chastised him for calling my car an F Sport!
Yes, the RC F had a field day with configuration options, and again, IMHO, it made for slow sales in an already slow market segment. Magazine and online reviews did little to help, and Lexus themselves failed to understand the importance of light weight (even the LFA is pretty porky for a supercar - the US LFA outweighs my hardtop Supra, the last Toyota they made a big deal about weight savings in their advertising campaigns). Had they held the line at 3750 lbs with a better engine than the IS F, they'd've had a major winner on the track, in the magazines, and in the showroom with the crowd we are - the enthusiasts. I would have sold my Supra to buy one if they'd done that.
So IS Fs are holding their value. Seems a little odd to me, but I have almost 170k miles on mine and it's still a fun drive every day. It only needed the OS Giken LSD to make it complete. Worth every dollar it cost.
10-24-19, 02:40 PM
#9
It doesn't make too much sense to me personally. People want, what they can't have. ISF is out of production, and GSF is often out of reach for many.
People usually want a 4 door, so that puts the RCF out for many buyers.
People usually want a 4 door, so that puts the RCF out for many buyers.
10-24-19, 04:13 PM
#10
Lexus Test Driver
https://www.carfax.com/Used-Lexus-GS-F_t7094
https://www.carfax.com/Used-Lexus-RC-F_t6619
I wanted a 4-door version originally myself and waited 2 years for it as my original car of choice was the E90 M3 sedan with 6 speed manual. When the GSF came out, the RCF styling, smaller size and stiffness etc. suited my taste a bit more. Now, I recently purchased a Lexus RX400h to fill in the duty for a family 4 door.
Last edited by 05RollaXRS; 10-24-19 at 09:37 PM.
10-24-19, 04:25 PM
#11
This is just a guess on my part, but I do think it has a lot to do with the fact that the ISF isn't being produced anymore. I've noticed the same phenomenon too though...ISF values are actually encroaching on RCF values, so you could get a clean, low mileage '12 or '13 for not too far off the price of a '15 RCF. If Lexus makes another ISF, or if they discontinue the RCF, we'll see the price adjustment.
The ISF is a fantastic car...still. I miss mine often, though I love the RCF.
The ISF is a fantastic car...still. I miss mine often, though I love the RCF.
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10-24-19, 09:26 PM
#12
I think it could be the four door nature. My previous car was a E90 M3 and I find that E90 M3 holds value better than E92 while all things been equal. While shopping around I also found C63 507 4DR also holds value better than C63 507 Coupe. I guess it could be something about the NA V8 performance sleeper sedan that gets people and they are becoming increasingly rare. The Chevy SS died and the current GSF is dying and the only other choice is a charger.
10-25-19, 09:38 AM
#13
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My thought is also the 'Market', ie; the buyer demographics. I have 4 sons that would kill for an IS-F, but as much as they appreciate Dad's RC-F, it's NOT the ICONIC IS-F or even the original IS300's There a lot of younger consumers in the 20's/30's that really loved that car, when they were teens, when it came out, driving on their XBOX and PS4....Now they can afford their 'Dream Car'. It was the "BEAST".... Plus for the majority we can agree that the RC-F is more 'mature' sophisticated Beast and less appealing to that Tuner mentality.... Therefore, limited supply and higher demand = greater expense to consumer.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Just my 2 cents worth.
10-25-19, 10:44 AM
#14
My thought is also the 'Market', ie; the buyer demographics. I have 4 sons that would kill for an IS-F, but as much as they appreciate Dad's RC-F, it's NOT the ICONIC IS-F or even the original IS300's There a lot of younger consumers in the 20's/30's that really loved that car, when they were teens, when it came out, driving on their XBOX and PS4....Now they can afford their 'Dream Car'. It was the "BEAST".... Plus for the majority we can agree that the RC-F is more 'mature' sophisticated Beast and less appealing to that Tuner mentality.... Therefore, limited supply and higher demand = greater expense to consumer.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Just my 2 cents worth.