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Old 04-28-21, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ab175
I respect your experience, I am sure that I was just having a weird experience because I did not spend a long time in the car and did not get super comfortable with it the way I have with the LSD. Just goes to show, the best way to make a choice would be a test drive for both! Good luck, and thanks to Rolla for correcting me!
Yeah, agreed. Like I said, you cannot go wrong with either. I have seen people preferring the mechanical control of the LSD in terms of the balance of the car and also like stated above, the simplicity of LSD makes it more easy to maintain over the long term so both have their pros for sure.

Here is a good video on the track of drifting with the TVD with full traction control off


Here is the Lexus press release on each:

Torsen® Rear Differential

No sports coupe promising track performance would be caught without a Limited Slip Differential (LSD). The RC F comes standard with a Torsen LSD and offers the option of a new Torque Vectoring Differential (TVD).

The Torsen LSD offers high levels of traction performance, handling and driving control. Three key benefits stand out:

During straight-line driving, the Torsen diff controls the left-right speed differential to maintain straight-line stability. On entering corners, the coasting torque due to engine braking is distributed more to the outside wheel, to maintain stability. Mid-corner and on corner exit, the Torsen LSD distributes drive power according to the load on each rear wheel, to ensure high traction and maneuverability.

Torque Vectoring Differential

It would be no surprise that a car of the RC F’s track capability would offer torque vectoring to sharpen handling response. The news here is that the RC F uses the electronically controlled Lexus Torque Vectoring Differential (TVD). The TVD uses precisely controlled multi-plate clutches, rather than the vehicle’s brakes, to optimally distribute torque to each rear wheel whether or not the accelerator is pressed.

The design aim with a TVD-equipped RC F was to make full use of the vehicle’s yaw moment for turning posture so good that it would feel as if the steering angle and direction of the vehicle travel were solidly joined.

Electronic control and precision electric actuator motors that are adjusted in units of 1/1,000-second ensure the appropriate amount of torque is distributed to each rear wheel. TVD can generate torque transfer regardless of how large or small the engine torque is, creating a yaw moment around the center of gravity and realizing movement similar to the LFA with its 48:52 front/rear weight distribution.

The driver won’t notice the TVD’s seamless operation but rather will simply enjoy the feeling of using the accelerator pedal to help steer the car through corners.

Lexus meticulously tested the TVD at the Nürburgring and circuits in Japan to fine-tune its operation and cooperation with the new coupe’s Vehicle Dynamics Integration Management (VDIM) system.

The TVD distributes torque to match the conditions of the moment, ensuring dynamic response when negotiating S-bends, for example. It improves vehicle attitude in low-to-mid speed corners, providing more agile movement and a smaller steering angle.

In a series of S-bends, TVD provides exhilarating corner exit performance with no understeer. Crisp turn-in after hard braking is equal to highly skilled driving without a TVD. Even during deceleration, the TVD constantly controls the drive force to preserve agile and smooth turn-in.

The TVD has three operating modes, independent of the RC F Drive Mode Select function:
  • STANDARD (default setting) provides an ideal balance of agility and firmness.
  • SLALOM emphasizes nimble steering response and the agility of a smaller vehicle.
  • TRACK emphasizes stability during high-speed circuit driving.

The RC F’s unique cockpit meter display shows the rear-wheel torque distribution as a bar graph within the tachometer and, if selected from the display menu, as two orange columns in the multi-information display.

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Old 04-28-21, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by flipside909
I've driven RC F extensively with LSD and TVD on the streets and track. I prefer the Torsen LSD. Also think about replacement cost if you plan to keep it for a long time. Look up the cost of a TVD unit just to make sure you really want it. Part# 899C0-24030
Is TVD covered under Powertrain / Drivetrain insurance ?
Old 04-28-21, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ALargeTom
Is TVD covered under Powertrain / Drivetrain insurance ?
It should be covered under the powertrain warranty since it is a part of the providing power to the wheels. Personally, I am not worried about longevity/issues. It is a Lexus after all. Never heard anyone having any issues with TVD.
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Originally Posted by 05RollaXRS
It should be covered under the powertrain warranty since it is a part of the providing power to the wheels. Personally, I am not worried about longevity/issues. It is a Lexus after all. Never heard anyone having any issues with TVD.
Yup, that's the reason I choose RCF over C63s / challenger Scat pack
I have sent email to Lexus to confirm it. I checked brochure from dealer (warranty plan and coverage detail). TVD is not part of it.

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Originally Posted by ALargeTom
Yup, that's the reason I choose RCF over C63s / challenger Scat pack
I have sent email to Lexus to confirm it. I checked brochure from dealer (warranty plan and coverage detail). TVD is not part of it.
I am taking mine to the dealership Friday morning. I have an appointment with my F specialist for service and maintenance. I will try to ask him.
Old 04-29-21, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ALargeTom
Is TVD covered under Powertrain / Drivetrain insurance ?
That falls under the 6 yr/70k Powertrain Warranty. You can elect an extended warranty contract (VSA - Vehicle Service Agreement) just in case.


https://drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrivers/service/waranty
  • Rear-Wheel Drive System: Differential carrier assembly, driveshaft, axle carrier, axle case, axle bearing, axle shaft and gaskets.

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Originally Posted by flipside909
That falls under the 6 yr/70k Powertrain Warranty. You can elect an extended warranty contract (VSA - Vehicle Service Agreement) just in case.


https://drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrivers/service/waranty
  • Rear-Wheel Drive System: Differential carrier assembly, driveshaft, axle carrier, axle case, axle bearing, axle shaft and gaskets.
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The TVD, I think once you get used to it, is pretty amazing. It does feel a bit unnatural at first, because at initial turn in it feels like a heavy car and has some understeer, but then when you give it a bit gas and it all of a sudden become a lot more nimble and it feels kind of like oversteer.

I think it's the sudden disappearance of understeer that I feel rather than oversteer, however. I'm now learning to give a tiny bit of gas when cornering, starting with the initial turn in, even when I feel like I'm at the max cornering speed, because it actually allows for a more controlled steering response. If you like to slide through the corner though, the computerized response may make things a bit unpredictable, although you can certainly slide on the TVD as well.
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Originally Posted by dingyibvs
The TVD, I think once you get used to it, is pretty amazing. It does feel a bit unnatural at first, because at initial turn in it feels like a heavy car and has some understeer, but then when you give it a bit gas and it all of a sudden become a lot more nimble and it feels kind of like oversteer.

I think it's the sudden disappearance of understeer that I feel rather than oversteer, however. I'm now learning to give a tiny bit of gas when cornering, starting with the initial turn in, even when I feel like I'm at the max cornering speed, because it actually allows for a more controlled steering response. If you like to slide through the corner though, the computerized response may make things a bit unpredictable, although you can certainly slide on the TVD as well.
This is exactly what I felt! This is essentially what I was trying to say. I guess I did not get used to the TVD enough to realize that tipping into the throttle more while cornering would fix the issues I had with it. Thanks for saying it better lol.
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Yeah, you want to avoid coasting into a turn with right foot in the air. You have to really commit to the turn in order to carry the most speed. Entering the turn on hard braking at the initial turn in and the front end will turn in hard. Then quickly get your foot on the throttle and tip in through the turn. It will create a rear biased illusion with no under steer. Plus, the off center steering response and sudden transition in slalom mode make it feel light on its feet.

Originally Posted by dingyibvs
The TVD, I think once you get used to it, is pretty amazing. It does feel a bit unnatural at first, because at initial turn in it feels like a heavy car and has some understeer, but then when you give it a bit gas and it all of a sudden become a lot more nimble and it feels kind of like oversteer.

I think it's the sudden disappearance of understeer that I feel rather than oversteer, however. I'm now learning to give a tiny bit of gas when cornering, starting with the initial turn in, even when I feel like I'm at the max cornering speed, because it actually allows for a more controlled steering response. If you like to slide through the corner though, the computerized response may make things a bit unpredictable, although you can certainly slide on the TVD as well.
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Many thanks for the great feedback from everyone!

As an update, ended up going with the 2021 because of the TVD. Was able to negotiate what I thought was a fair deal for a current year model (own financing, so got the rebate + discount + low rate) and they are covering shipping as well. Hopeful that it doesn't take terribly long to get here. Excited to say the least!

Side-note: if anyone is in the market for a blue w/white 2020 w/LSD, the original one I was looking at may still be available HERE.

They did accept my initial offer of 70,350 right before the dealer that had the TVD called. The 2020 has been on their lot 7+ months so they likely have received a final pay from Lexus and would very much like to see the car sold.

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Originally Posted by TheCatLoaf
Many thanks for the great feedback from everyone!

As an update, ended up going with the 2021 because of the TVD. Was able to negotiate what I thought was a fair deal for a current year model (own financing, so got the rebate + discount + low rate) and they are covering shipping as well. Hopeful that it doesn't take terribly long to get here. Excited to say the least!

Side-note: if anyone is in the market for a blue w/white 2020 w/LSD, the original one I was looking at may still be available HERE.

They did accept my initial offer of 70,350 right before the dealer that had the TVD called. Car has been on their lot 7+ months so they likely have received a final pay from Lexus and would very much like to see the car sold.
Congratulations! Great choice on the TVD. I am sure you will enjoy it once you play around with its modes especially the slalom mode with manual/Sport+. Post some pictures once you get it.
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It's HERE!

....and going straight to the detailer for full PPF lol. Apparently my wing is stuck in the extended position as well. Looks like PPF first, then dealer so they can't "install" any scratches.

Pics forthcoming as it's pretty dirty right now.
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Originally Posted by TheCatLoaf
It's HERE!

....and going straight to the detailer for full PPF lol. Apparently my wing is stuck in the extended position as well. Looks like PPF first, then dealer so they can't "install" any scratches.

Pics forthcoming as it's pretty dirty right now.
Congrats. Post some pictures when you get it.
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