Invidia Mufflers + other Midpipes
10-20-21, 12:03 AM
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Invidia Mufflers + other Midpipes
Has anyone tried this combination? I have the Invidia catback on order, but I'm eager to try the mufflers with something like an Apexi non-resonated.
10-20-21, 04:58 AM
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Pretty sure they won't bolt up to other mid pipes due to size ( I do know the doughnut gasket would be different). I know mid pipes like Apexi, Gt Haus..etc. Those bolt up to OEM rear mufflers. But the size is different on the Invidia midpipe which I believe only works with their axle back so you'd probably be the first to try it..lol
Curious you have the GThaus axle-back in your sig. Why not just get the Apexi or GT Haus mid pipe? Why completely change exhausts? I have the Invidia and really like it! But with that being said I feel like the GT Haus/Meisterchaft is going to be a much better quality system, especially if you paired it with their own mid pipe. I feel like you are downgrading from your Meisterschaft to the Invidia... Again I'm not knocking Invidia, but the Meisterschaft rear mufflers are a thing of beauty. Now if you are looking to tone down the exhaust note, I get that. As the Meisterschaft can be loud, probably even louder (maybe too loud) with their midpipe or if you are running their cat back system. Is your axle back valved or non-valved?
-Nigel
Curious you have the GThaus axle-back in your sig. Why not just get the Apexi or GT Haus mid pipe? Why completely change exhausts? I have the Invidia and really like it! But with that being said I feel like the GT Haus/Meisterchaft is going to be a much better quality system, especially if you paired it with their own mid pipe. I feel like you are downgrading from your Meisterschaft to the Invidia... Again I'm not knocking Invidia, but the Meisterschaft rear mufflers are a thing of beauty. Now if you are looking to tone down the exhaust note, I get that. As the Meisterschaft can be loud, probably even louder (maybe too loud) with their midpipe or if you are running their cat back system. Is your axle back valved or non-valved?
-Nigel
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10-20-21, 10:55 AM
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Pretty sure they won't bolt up to other mid pipes due to size ( I do know the doughnut gasket would be different). I know mid pipes like Apexi, Gt Haus..etc. Those bolt up to OEM rear mufflers. But the size is different on the Invidia midpipe which I believe only works with their axle back so you'd probably be the first to try it..lol
Curious you have the GThaus axle-back in your sig. Why not just get the Apexi or GT Haus mid pipe? Why completely change exhausts? I have the Invidia and really like it! But with that being said I feel like the GT Haus/Meisterchaft is going to be a much better quality system, especially if you paired it with their own mid pipe. I feel like you are downgrading from your Meisterschaft to the Invidia... Again I'm not knocking Invidia, but the Meisterschaft rear mufflers are a thing of beauty. Now if you are looking to tone down the exhaust note, I get that. As the Meisterschaft can be loud, probably even louder (maybe too loud) with their midpipe or if you are running their cat back system. Is your axle back valved or non-valved?
-Nigel
Curious you have the GThaus axle-back in your sig. Why not just get the Apexi or GT Haus mid pipe? Why completely change exhausts? I have the Invidia and really like it! But with that being said I feel like the GT Haus/Meisterchaft is going to be a much better quality system, especially if you paired it with their own mid pipe. I feel like you are downgrading from your Meisterschaft to the Invidia... Again I'm not knocking Invidia, but the Meisterschaft rear mufflers are a thing of beauty. Now if you are looking to tone down the exhaust note, I get that. As the Meisterschaft can be loud, probably even louder (maybe too loud) with their midpipe or if you are running their cat back system. Is your axle back valved or non-valved?
-Nigel
Haha good question. I'm not exactly sure what I want yet. I'm playing around with systems for now I think. I have the valved axle-back with wireless remotes. I liked the Apexi but heard they drone a lot. I'm trying to find something that isn't raspy at all, something that's somewhat loud but not annoyingly loud. The Invidia has a very nice exotic growl and I was just curious how it'd sound with a GTHaus midpipe (which is basically a straight pipe with their high flow res).
I think you're right on pipe diameter. I watched a video of someone throwing on the Invidia RC350 axle-back with an Apexi midpipe, but that only works because the diameter is 2.5" throughout, whereas the full Invidia RCF system is 2.75". Hmmmm.
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10-20-21, 11:42 AM
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Pretty sure they won't bolt up to other mid pipes due to size ( I do know the doughnut gasket would be different). I know mid pipes like Apexi, Gt Haus..etc. Those bolt up to OEM rear mufflers. But the size is different on the Invidia midpipe which I believe only works with their axle back so you'd probably be the first to try it..lol
Curious you have the GThaus axle-back in your sig. Why not just get the Apexi or GT Haus mid pipe? Why completely change exhausts? I have the Invidia and really like it! But with that being said I feel like the GT Haus/Meisterchaft is going to be a much better quality system, especially if you paired it with their own mid pipe. I feel like you are downgrading from your Meisterschaft to the Invidia... Again I'm not knocking Invidia, but the Meisterschaft rear mufflers are a thing of beauty. Now if you are looking to tone down the exhaust note, I get that. As the Meisterschaft can be loud, probably even louder (maybe too loud) with their midpipe or if you are running their cat back system. Is your axle back valved or non-valved?
-Nigel
Curious you have the GThaus axle-back in your sig. Why not just get the Apexi or GT Haus mid pipe? Why completely change exhausts? I have the Invidia and really like it! But with that being said I feel like the GT Haus/Meisterchaft is going to be a much better quality system, especially if you paired it with their own mid pipe. I feel like you are downgrading from your Meisterschaft to the Invidia... Again I'm not knocking Invidia, but the Meisterschaft rear mufflers are a thing of beauty. Now if you are looking to tone down the exhaust note, I get that. As the Meisterschaft can be loud, probably even louder (maybe too loud) with their midpipe or if you are running their cat back system. Is your axle back valved or non-valved?
-Nigel
10-20-21, 02:59 PM
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valves close at 0:22
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10-20-21, 08:04 PM
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ppe midpipe with resonators and high flow cats paired with titanium gthaus valved axleback. per the manual the valves require periodic lubrication. valves open in both vids
https://youtu.be/ASCasYXhvNc
valves close at 0:22
https://youtu.be/vKSTVh0SjNg
https://youtu.be/ASCasYXhvNc
valves close at 0:22
https://youtu.be/vKSTVh0SjNg
10-20-21, 11:46 PM
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10-21-21, 12:31 AM
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10-21-21, 07:39 AM
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I might try the GTHaus midpipe anyways...but I think it's gonna be hilariously loud
Haha good question. I'm not exactly sure what I want yet. I'm playing around with systems for now I think. I have the valved axle-back with wireless remotes. I liked the Apexi but heard they drone a lot. I'm trying to find something that isn't raspy at all, something that's somewhat loud but not annoyingly loud. The Invidia has a very nice exotic growl and I was just curious how it'd sound with a GTHaus midpipe (which is basically a straight pipe with their high flow res).
I think you're right on pipe diameter. I watched a video of someone throwing on the Invidia RC350 axle-back with an Apexi midpipe, but that only works because the diameter is 2.5" throughout, whereas the full Invidia RCF system is 2.75". Hmmmm.
Haha good question. I'm not exactly sure what I want yet. I'm playing around with systems for now I think. I have the valved axle-back with wireless remotes. I liked the Apexi but heard they drone a lot. I'm trying to find something that isn't raspy at all, something that's somewhat loud but not annoyingly loud. The Invidia has a very nice exotic growl and I was just curious how it'd sound with a GTHaus midpipe (which is basically a straight pipe with their high flow res).
I think you're right on pipe diameter. I watched a video of someone throwing on the Invidia RC350 axle-back with an Apexi midpipe, but that only works because the diameter is 2.5" throughout, whereas the full Invidia RCF system is 2.75". Hmmmm.
You are probably right about it being loud... Everything that I have researched and seen people post is that if you get the non resonated Apexi mid pipe you will get some drone. Others say it was bad, while some say it's not bad. Take that with a grain of salt. When someone to me says there is drone, I don't want it. Because personally to me, it's annoying AF. I have it with my STi and now looking to change things on the car to eliminate the drone at a certain RPM range. I've heard zero complaints with the resonated Apexi mid pipe. I still keep thinking/looking at the Tom's axle back and the Apexi resonated mid pipe. But at the same time spending $4+k for an exhaust seems a bit much to me, when I do really enjoy the sound the Invidia makes. I think because it's an X pipe instead of the H pipe. X pipes seem to give a higher pitched exhaust note compared to an H pipe which is a lower growl/tone.
I do like the sound of the Invidia. It really does seem like the best bang for the buck. When you do a cat back you are going to make (maybe not?) the same amount of power (although I don't think I have seen dyno results, everyone claims there are gains but without a dyno sheet I take it as the perceived noise makes it seem like more power). I can't see one manufacture claiming more power than another simply because they are doing anything any different. You are eliminated the secondary cats and or resonators. One manufacture can't claim 20hp while another claims 40hp..etc. (I'm just throwing numbers out there). Headers are where power is gained but personally I wouldn't get headers only because there is no tune available for my 2020, and to me it makes no sense to do headers without a tune.
Exhaust notes are a touchy subject because everyone perceives it differently. IE: When I put the Invidia on I was honestly expecting a super quiet exhaust that I wouldn't know what I just installed from stock. Again, this is because sooooooooooooooooo many people claim the exhaust is quiet and not loud. On top of that no video really does a good job with the sound. When I installed it and started the car up for the first time it was immediate that something was changed because the sound was awesome. I laughed because I said to myself, this isn't "quiet" by any stretch of the imagination but because everyone kept saying how quiet it is, that's what I was expecting. When I cold start the car, it will pop/crackle every time. I love it. Then it mellows out and has a soft rumble. As soon as you drive and get on it, it's loud, but not obnoxiously loud. I get the appeal of noise but I think some folks just want something that is insanely loud. Which to me takes away from the Lexus feel. If I wanted a super loud car it wouldn't have been an RCF. But with so many options for everyone that's the beauty of it.. you'll eventually find something you like.
I feel like the resonated Apexi midpipe is going to give you a better tone/noise level than the GT haus mid pipe mainly because the resonators are larger. You can always play around with different exhausts and figure out which one is best sounding to you. It's an easy install on our cars for the most part. And then worst case scenario sell what you no longer want. You'd probably get most of your money back on whatever you choose to sell.
-Nigel
10-21-21, 11:04 AM
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You are probably right about it being loud... Everything that I have researched and seen people post is that if you get the non resonated Apexi mid pipe you will get some drone. Others say it was bad, while some say it's not bad. Take that with a grain of salt. When someone to me says there is drone, I don't want it. Because personally to me, it's annoying AF. I have it with my STi and now looking to change things on the car to eliminate the drone at a certain RPM range. I've heard zero complaints with the resonated Apexi mid pipe. I still keep thinking/looking at the Tom's axle back and the Apexi resonated mid pipe. But at the same time spending $4+k for an exhaust seems a bit much to me, when I do really enjoy the sound the Invidia makes. I think because it's an X pipe instead of the H pipe. X pipes seem to give a higher pitched exhaust note compared to an H pipe which is a lower growl/tone.
I do like the sound of the Invidia. It really does seem like the best bang for the buck. When you do a cat back you are going to make (maybe not?) the same amount of power (although I don't think I have seen dyno results, everyone claims there are gains but without a dyno sheet I take it as the perceived noise makes it seem like more power). I can't see one manufacture claiming more power than another simply because they are doing anything any different. You are eliminated the secondary cats and or resonators. One manufacture can't claim 20hp while another claims 40hp..etc. (I'm just throwing numbers out there). Headers are where power is gained but personally I wouldn't get headers only because there is no tune available for my 2020, and to me it makes no sense to do headers without a tune.
Exhaust notes are a touchy subject because everyone perceives it differently. IE: When I put the Invidia on I was honestly expecting a super quiet exhaust that I wouldn't know what I just installed from stock. Again, this is because sooooooooooooooooo many people claim the exhaust is quiet and not loud. On top of that no video really does a good job with the sound. When I installed it and started the car up for the first time it was immediate that something was changed because the sound was awesome. I laughed because I said to myself, this isn't "quiet" by any stretch of the imagination but because everyone kept saying how quiet it is, that's what I was expecting. When I cold start the car, it will pop/crackle every time. I love it. Then it mellows out and has a soft rumble. As soon as you drive and get on it, it's loud, but not obnoxiously loud. I get the appeal of noise but I think some folks just want something that is insanely loud. Which to me takes away from the Lexus feel. If I wanted a super loud car it wouldn't have been an RCF. But with so many options for everyone that's the beauty of it.. you'll eventually find something you like.
I feel like the resonated Apexi midpipe is going to give you a better tone/noise level than the GT haus mid pipe mainly because the resonators are larger. You can always play around with different exhausts and figure out which one is best sounding to you. It's an easy install on our cars for the most part. And then worst case scenario sell what you no longer want. You'd probably get most of your money back on whatever you choose to sell.
-Nigel
I do like the sound of the Invidia. It really does seem like the best bang for the buck. When you do a cat back you are going to make (maybe not?) the same amount of power (although I don't think I have seen dyno results, everyone claims there are gains but without a dyno sheet I take it as the perceived noise makes it seem like more power). I can't see one manufacture claiming more power than another simply because they are doing anything any different. You are eliminated the secondary cats and or resonators. One manufacture can't claim 20hp while another claims 40hp..etc. (I'm just throwing numbers out there). Headers are where power is gained but personally I wouldn't get headers only because there is no tune available for my 2020, and to me it makes no sense to do headers without a tune.
Exhaust notes are a touchy subject because everyone perceives it differently. IE: When I put the Invidia on I was honestly expecting a super quiet exhaust that I wouldn't know what I just installed from stock. Again, this is because sooooooooooooooooo many people claim the exhaust is quiet and not loud. On top of that no video really does a good job with the sound. When I installed it and started the car up for the first time it was immediate that something was changed because the sound was awesome. I laughed because I said to myself, this isn't "quiet" by any stretch of the imagination but because everyone kept saying how quiet it is, that's what I was expecting. When I cold start the car, it will pop/crackle every time. I love it. Then it mellows out and has a soft rumble. As soon as you drive and get on it, it's loud, but not obnoxiously loud. I get the appeal of noise but I think some folks just want something that is insanely loud. Which to me takes away from the Lexus feel. If I wanted a super loud car it wouldn't have been an RCF. But with so many options for everyone that's the beauty of it.. you'll eventually find something you like.
I feel like the resonated Apexi midpipe is going to give you a better tone/noise level than the GT haus mid pipe mainly because the resonators are larger. You can always play around with different exhausts and figure out which one is best sounding to you. It's an easy install on our cars for the most part. And then worst case scenario sell what you no longer want. You'd probably get most of your money back on whatever you choose to sell.
-Nigel
Yeah those are my thoughts with the Invidia pipes as well. I've never been a SUPER loud exhaust person, and the axle back I have on my IS350 is loud enough, but I figured why not have a little fun with the RCF. I think you said it yourself—I fully expect the Invidia to be louder than I thought it was mainly because everyone says it's so quiet and that's why I have one on order because I just don't know how it'll sound until I'm able to hear one in person.
Funny enough, the Tom's + Apexi combination was the one I was looking at next. Though now I also have the PPE midpipe to think about. Might be a good idea to pick up the Apexi resonated (non-reso will most likely be way too loud on the current setup for my liking) and see how it sounds with the GTHaus axle back. If it's too loud, I believe Tom's gives more of a lower end growl versus something savage. I mean I've already spent 3k on just the GTHaus axle back, Tom's won't be a far stretch if I end up selling the GTHaus.
Again, thanks for thoughts!
10-21-21, 01:24 PM
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what Josh said. ordered through him and there was a wait time. i ordered the complete elite series catback. sold the axleback so i can go titanium.
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11-04-21, 11:10 PM
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https://www.ppeengineering-onlinesto...-145010-DM.htm
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11-05-21, 05:40 AM
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ppe posted dyno results claiming 29whp gain with i believe @BossMoss car and their elite series catback with high flow cats. it was a selling point for me. sheet is hard to read but they stand by the numbers.
https://www.ppeengineering-onlinesto...-145010-DM.htm
https://www.ppeengineering-onlinesto...-145010-DM.htm
Awesome! Thank you for the link and info! It's probably safe to assume then that replacing the stock cat back with an aftermarket nets at least 20whp (being on the low conservative side). I'm surprised that more people don't do before/after dyno runs on our cars. I'm so used to the subie world where you can pull numbers for almost any mod and have a general idea of gained HP. If you replace your up-pipe, you'll net X amount, Downpipe=X amount, complete turbo back exhaust..etc.
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