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The 911 GTS Targa would be my ultimate 911. Problem now is that they are cra cra money now. I bought the Macan because I am a "sexy senior citizen" and have back issues so a low slung two seater is not for me any longer.
I put a Macan spec together on the configurator and it priced out less than the one I bought. Problem is, my local P dealer did not have an allocation for a GTS (all other Macans, no problem). My nearly new CPO'd and lightly used GTS was bought at a considerably lower price than the one I configured. After taking delivery, I wouldn't change a thing. I flew from Richmond to Ann Arbor MI to pick this one up. I will make one comparison to the RCF. The Burmester stereo is by far better than the ML. It may be because of the size and acoustical differences between the two vehicles but the stereo playback in the Macan with the Burmester is superb. Attached is a copy of my build sheet. All the best.
I'm referring to his RCF. The Macan GTS that he just bought is in fact an upgrade over his RCF. If he had a track edition RCF then maybe not... but for all intensive purposes the new vehicle is better (he didn't buy a base / T model) His GTS has a faster 0-60 time than his RCF, much nicer interior, newer...etc, so to state that it doesn't matter what trim or how much you pay regardless and make a blanket statement is incorrect, sorry. I don't worship Porsche but it can't be denied that they are pretty excellent machines. Yes they are two completely different vehicles, but one could argue the same thing with the RCF being good at many things: IE: great daily driver GT car, but too heavy to take seriously at the track or the list of other stuff people complain about. Hell it would have been awesome to keep both of them in the stable. Having a functional 4 door vehicle hauler and then a nice 2 door coupe can't be beat :-)
I tried to stay out and neutral in this because I am a huge Porsche fan especially of the 992 GT3 Touring who clearly thinks there is nothing else out there like a Porsche, but some of what you described was inaccurate. You are generalizing everything on 0-60 mph. His argument was including handling etc. It is funny how RCF's weight gets thrown around as a hail mary pass. No matter which we cut it, it was designed for and very capable on the track. End of story. Weight is always relative to the hardware you have. RCF is proven to be capable of pulling 1.00g on the skid pad and get up to 1.5g instantaneous turning capability on street tires. That is serious handling credentials no matter what people say about the weight. RCF weighs about the same as a GTR and a GTR happens to be one of the best handling cars. The whole weight thing has always been hugely blown out of proportion because of the previous gen M4 being lighter.
Even in a straight line, the Porsche Macan with 435 HP might be very competitive in 0-60 mph, but clearly after that it seems to be very one-sided as this race between an RCF and a Macan Turbo with same power as a GTS.
It's all good guys. No need to compare the two. Both are awesome in their own right. My business model is to experience as many cool cars as I can while I am physically/mentally able to drive..
understood, I just meant I don't consider it an upgrade as you've switched class of cars. I love Porsches, I hope to own a 911 one day
now if he went from the rcF to a 911 or something, then I'd consider that an upgrade.
I'd love to buy a Boxster gts or s, but Porsche prices have gone waaaaaaaaay up, this would be in addition to my rcF, not in place of.
I plan to keep my F until she or I die hah.
What about a Cayenne Turbo S? Or what if he went from a GR86 to the macan GTS? IMO you can change classes of cars and still be an overall upgrade.
What about a Cayenne Turbo S? Or what if he went from a GR86 to the macan GTS? IMO you can change classes of cars and still be an overall upgrade.
agree to disagree
if i went from an mdx to a cayenne, that would be an upgrade, or a gr86 to a cayman etc.. I just don't consider an suv a sports car. I'd love an X3 M Competition but wouldn't consider it a sports car etc..
The 911 GTS Targa would be my ultimate 911. Problem now is that they are cra cra money now. I bought the Macan because I am a "sexy senior citizen" and have back issues so a low slung two seater is not for me any longer.
I put a Macan spec together on the configurator and it priced out less than the one I bought. Problem is, my local P dealer did not have an allocation for a GTS (all other Macans, no problem). My nearly new CPO'd and lightly used GTS was bought at a considerably lower price than the one I configured. After taking delivery, I wouldn't change a thing. I flew from Richmond to Ann Arbor MI to pick this one up. I will make one comparison to the RCF. The Burmester stereo is by far better than the ML. It may be because of the size and acoustical differences between the two vehicles but the stereo playback in the Macan with the Burmester is superb. Attached is a copy of my build sheet. All the best.
Super nice! The B&O audio is not a cheap option at all! Overall looks like a very enjoyable and optioned out GTS. Enjoy it!! :-)
Silly question but how much of the driving experience does the Macan give you compared to your 911 when you had it? IE: It's X% of the fun that the 911 was but at X expense..etc?
Originally Posted by 05RollaXRS
I tried to stay out and neutral in this because I am a huge Porsche fan especially of the 992 GT3 Touring who clearly thinks there is nothing else out there like a Porsche, but some of what you described was inaccurate. You are generalizing everything on 0-60 mph. His argument was including handling etc. It is funny how RCF's weight gets thrown around as a hail mary pass. No matter which we cut it, it was designed for and very capable on the track. End of story. Weight is always relative to the hardware you have. RCF is proven to be capable of pulling 1.00g on the skid pad and get up to 1.5g instantaneous turning capability on street tires. That is serious handling credentials no matter what people say about the weight. RCF weighs about the same as a GTR and a GTR happens to be one of the best handling cars. The whole weight thing has always been hugely blown out of proportion because of the previous gen M4 being lighter.
Even in a straight line, the Porsche Macan with 435 HP might be very competitive in 0-60 mph, but clearly after that it seems to be very one-sided as this race between an RCF and a Macan Turbo with same power as a GTS.
I'm not generalizing the entire aspect of the car for 0-60 time. It was one of the things I pointed out that the previous guys said that it was a jack of all but master of none and it didn't matter the trim/price paid. It does matter because you will get different performance. Again I'm not ******* the RCF. I have one and love it. What I was saying is the Macan for what it is, which is an SUV is pretty damn good in terms of useability and overall build quality. I understand our cars can do 1g on a skid pad but the fact that the Macan can do 0.98g on the skid pad is impressive, for an SUV that doesn't flip over... remember back in the days SUVs were boxy, slow, unwieldly things that if you push JUST hard enough, you were flipping the damn thing over...lol. Now we have legit manufactures making fast/sport like SUVs. We live in insane times for that to even be a thing. Yes more top end is going to give ya speed and all this other stuff. I'm not arguing any of that. I'm simply just stating that for the majority of people out there, they are gonna gladly take a Porsche over a Lexus for many many reasons, and consider it an upgrade via a car costs $108k vs $80k. If Porsches were not good vehicles the value on them wouldn't be so high and retain their value to a stupid amount... ;-p
I'm out of this, let's let AL enjoy his Macan before he doesn't come back to check on us from time to time..lol. Again I'm not talking crap on the RCF, I was speaking on terms of what most people have said about it, if I didn't like the car I wouldn't have bought one. I LOVE our cars.
I'm not generalizing the entire aspect of the car for 0-60 time. It was one of the things I pointed out that the previous guys said that it was a jack of all but master of none and it didn't matter the trim/price paid. It does matter because you will get different performance. Again I'm not ******* the RCF. I have one and love it. What I was saying is the Macan for what it is, which is an SUV is pretty damn good in terms of useability and overall build quality. I understand our cars can do 1g on a skid pad but the fact that the Macan can do 0.98g on the skid pad is impressive, for an SUV that doesn't flip over... remember back in the days SUVs were boxy, slow, unwieldly things that if you push JUST hard enough, you were flipping the damn thing over..
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-Nigel
While I don't disagree with most of your post, please keep in mind the 0.98g for Macan you talk about, was performed with racing slick tires (Corsa tires). Yeah, with high center of gravity and 4400 lbs of weight, an SUV based chassis/suspension, that is still a very big achievement for an SUV, but nonetheless it was on barely street-legal Corsa tires that makes a huge difference in terms of grip while we are talking "normal" street performance tires like PS4S etc. Apples to oranges much like this whole thread.
While I don't disagree with most of your post, please keep in mind the 0.98g for Macan you talk about, was performed with racing slick tires (Corsa tires). Yeah, with high center of gravity and 4400 lbs of weight, an SUV based chassis/suspension, that is still a very big achievement for an SUV, but nonetheless it was on barely street-legal Corsa tires that makes a huge difference in terms of grip while we are talking "normal" street performance tires like PS4S etc. Apples to oranges much like this whole thread.
Not racing slicks though. that's incorrect. Pirelli P Zero Corsa PZC4 Summer tires.
No different than Lexus having a specific Ps4s made for our cars where everyone else gets a slightly different spec of the tire.. If we used the normal spec our numbers would be different.
They are both bad as vehicles I would gladly take and drive both given the chance. Until I get a Porsche I'm happy with the RCF. It's unique.sounds wonderful, and you don't see them everywhere (where as with the Macan you will see them way more frequently).
My closing statement = cars/vehicles are cool. I love them all. lol
Corsa class tires are slick racing tires equivalent of Cup 2 tires. It is ridiculous to try to downplay the difference between Corsa tires and plain vanilla P Zero tires or PS4S tires that are primarily street tires. There is a 3% grip difference between max performance tires and competition DOT track slick tires. PS4S tires are street tires that can be used on the track while Corsa and Cup 2 tires are track/competition tires that can be driven on the streets in the dry and not recommended in the rain. I have even driven PS4S tires in near freezing temperatures and they held up surprisingly well and I always felt in control. I researched it extensively and have a thread on it when I was looking for my OEM tire replacement. I considered Corsa tires. They are classified as competition tire.
Not racing slicks though. that's incorrect. Pirelli P Zero Corsa PZC4 Summer tires.
No different than Lexus having a specific Ps4s made for our cars where everyone else gets a slightly different spec of the tire.. If we used the normal spec our numbers would be different.
They are both bad as vehicles I would gladly take and drive both given the chance. Until I get a Porsche I'm happy with the RCF. It's unique.sounds wonderful, and you don't see them everywhere (where as with the Macan you will see them way more frequently).
My closing statement = cars/vehicles are cool. I love them all. lol
agree to disagree
if i went from an mdx to a cayenne, that would be an upgrade, or a gr86 to a cayman etc.. I just don't consider an suv a sports car. I'd love an X3 M Competition but wouldn't consider it a sports car etc..
ok so a urus isnt a upgrade over a supra, since the supra is a sports car
02-17-23 | 07:18 AM
and have back issues so a low slung two seater is not for me any longer.
