SA said average miles to death of an rx300 is 220k miles.
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So we took our RX in for a 180k service and it was due to belts and water pump and our SA was kind enough to inform is that it might not be worth doing the belts and water pump because on average, he's seen the RX last to about 220k, which he said at that time, the trany dies. Please keep in mind, he said this was an average not an exact for certain thing.
Have you guys replaced your belts and water pump and has any of your transmission failed? I'd be curious to know because there's no benefit that I can see for him to recommend to NOT do a service.
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Have you guys replaced your belts and water pump and has any of your transmission failed? I'd be curious to know because there's no benefit that I can see for him to recommend to NOT do a service.
Any thoughts?
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Ah, don't you just love the concept of "average". The average human has 1 breast and 1 ********!
Seriously, though, the 90k recommendation is based on an estimated MTBF of some arbitrary failure percentage (maybe 0.0001%). Which means that 99.999% can go longer than 90k without failure. Trouble is, who is to say you will be the 0.0001% camp or the 99.999% camp? I think most people on this board change their belt between 90k and 150k. At 180k, I'd probably get it changed (the RX300 is an interference engine which means the entire car is junk if the belt breaks).
Seriously, though, the 90k recommendation is based on an estimated MTBF of some arbitrary failure percentage (maybe 0.0001%). Which means that 99.999% can go longer than 90k without failure. Trouble is, who is to say you will be the 0.0001% camp or the 99.999% camp? I think most people on this board change their belt between 90k and 150k. At 180k, I'd probably get it changed (the RX300 is an interference engine which means the entire car is junk if the belt breaks).
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Ah, don't you just love the concept of "average". The average human has 1 breast and 1 ********!
Seriously, though, the 90k recommendation is based on an estimated MTBF of some arbitrary failure percentage (maybe 0.0001%). Which means that 99.999% can go longer than 90k without failure. Trouble is, who is to say you will be the 0.0001% camp or the 99.999% camp? I think most people on this board change their belt between 90k and 150k. At 180k, I'd probably get it changed (the RX300 is an interference engine which means the entire car is junk if the belt breaks).
Seriously, though, the 90k recommendation is based on an estimated MTBF of some arbitrary failure percentage (maybe 0.0001%). Which means that 99.999% can go longer than 90k without failure. Trouble is, who is to say you will be the 0.0001% camp or the 99.999% camp? I think most people on this board change their belt between 90k and 150k. At 180k, I'd probably get it changed (the RX300 is an interference engine which means the entire car is junk if the belt breaks).
If the rest of the car is in good shape I would change the belts.
220k miles on any auto transmission is pretty good actually.
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Yeah, the real question is for the owner ... what is the Rx's worth to you? I would spend an extra $500 to $800 to keep it running.
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***Funny you mention the $500 to $800 because that's what I thought it would cost as well but my SA quoted about $2200 to include replacing the water pump. Obviously, we said no because that was way too expensive. Our car is a 2002. The car is in great shape for an 8 year old car with 180k miles but I don't want to spend $2200 to replace something when the car might just fail in a few years. My SA said the first thing that goes is the transmission and he said that's about $5k to repair so he said, if you really want to keep the car for a very long time, then paying for the belts and possible transmission may be worth it. If not, don't do it because your car is probably worth about as much as the cost of the repairs and just ride it out.
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***Funny you mention the $500 to $800 because that's what I thought it would cost as well but my SA quoted about $2200 to include replacing the water pump. Obviously, we said no because that was way too expensive. Our car is a 2002. The car is in great shape for an 8 year old car with 180k miles but I don't want to spend $2200 to replace something when the car might just fail in a few years. My SA said the first thing that goes is the transmission and he said that's about $5k to repair so he said, if you really want to keep the car for a very long time, then paying for the belts and possible transmission may be worth it. If not, don't do it because your car is probably worth about as much as the cost of the repairs and just ride it out.
$2200 for timing belt and water pump, WT*?
Shop around for an independent Toyota/ Lexus repair facility. Many people have had that work done for less than $700.
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Find another Lexus dealership or try a Toyota dealership.
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He makes you pay out the as* if he charges that much...you should definitely go find another dealership and I'd tell the service adviser to go f*** off next time he gives an estimate that high.
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I think the SA did a favor. When you are past your warranty, it makes more sense to go to an independent. Shop around.
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