2010 RX 350 Hesitation shifting gears
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I have read several threads regarding hesitation and stalling, bun none address what I am experiencing. If I shift from reverse to drive, or drive to reverse, even after coming to a full stop, there is a 2-3 second delay before the vehicle will accelerate. If I have the gas pedal depressed during this delay, the vehicle will suddenly accelerate once the delay time has lapsed. This could be very dangerous in a parking lot, or if I lend the vehicle to someone who is unfamiliar with this characteristic. I have spoken to the dealer, they say it's "normal" and that I should wait the 2-3 seconds before attempting to accelerate. I have owned 15 vehicles in my lifetime, none have ever needed a pause before accelerating after switching gears. Is anyone else experiencing this? Can I impose on the forum readers to check their vehicle under the same conditions? I have driven several other Lexus models as a loaner while mine is in for service, this seems to be a problem only with the 2010 RX 350. I can't believe the dealer expects me to wait between switching gears in a $55,000 vehicle. Nowhere in the owners manual does it say to wait 2-3 seconds after switching gears or rapid acceleration could result. Any feedback is appreciated.
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I have read several threads regarding hesitation and stalling, bun none address what I am experiencing. If I shift from reverse to drive, or drive to reverse, even after coming to a full stop, there is a 2-3 second delay before the vehicle will accelerate. If I have the gas pedal depressed during this delay, the vehicle will suddenly accelerate once the delay time has lapsed. This could be very dangerous in a parking lot, or if I lend the vehicle to someone who is unfamiliar with this characteristic. I have spoken to the dealer, they say it's "normal" and that I should wait the 2-3 seconds before attempting to accelerate. I have owned 15 vehicles in my lifetime, none have ever needed a pause before accelerating after switching gears. Is anyone else experiencing this? Can I impose on the forum readers to check their vehicle under the same conditions? I have driven several other Lexus models as a loaner while mine is in for service, this seems to be a problem only with the 2010 RX 350. I can't believe the dealer expects me to wait between switching gears in a $55,000 vehicle. Nowhere in the owners manual does it say to wait 2-3 seconds after switching gears or rapid acceleration could result. Any feedback is appreciated.
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I agree that there should not be any hesitation when shifting. Maybe try shifting into neutral at the end of backing up and then engaging drive right when the vehicle stops rolling. But perhaps you do need to drive another RX. Tell the dealer to take out an RX loaner and see if its the same issue.
Do not under any circumstances shift the shift lever to R while the vehicle is moving
forward.
Doing so can cause significant damage to the driveline and may result in a loss of
vehicle control.
forward.
Doing so can cause significant damage to the driveline and may result in a loss of
vehicle control.
When shifting the shift lever
Be careful not to shift the shift lever with the accelerator pedal depressed.
This may lead to unexpected rapid acceleration of the vehicle that may cause an
accident and result in death or serious injury.
Be careful not to shift the shift lever with the accelerator pedal depressed.
This may lead to unexpected rapid acceleration of the vehicle that may cause an
accident and result in death or serious injury.
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try driving another rx350 from the lot like rxsf suggested. I find it hard to believe that this is normal behavior for your car. I can't comment from experience because I have a hybrid (no hesittation at all), but surely others would have reported similar experiences if this was "normal".
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Toyota/Lexus transmissions are considered some of the smoothest and most reliable out there. I have owned two Lexuses and one Toyota and have never had problems with hesitation. Your problem is very atypical for a Lexus RX.
One of the main reasons I chose the Lexus RX over the Audi Q5 and Cadillac SRX was the reports on message boards for those models of transmission problems that could not be fixed, despite repeated dealer visits. The current BMW X3 automatic is the worst offender in this regard.
One of the main reasons I chose the Lexus RX over the Audi Q5 and Cadillac SRX was the reports on message boards for those models of transmission problems that could not be fixed, despite repeated dealer visits. The current BMW X3 automatic is the worst offender in this regard.
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Thanks for the advice so far...I did take another RX vehicle for a test drive and found it did the same, hence the dealer saying this is "normal". There is no problem with fluid smell or burning. The vehicle has done this since new. My point is that this is not normal, regardless of how many vehicles do it. I worked for Toyota customer service for a year, no one ever called to complain of this issue. The dealer agrees there is a hesitation, they are just not willing to do anything about it. If I can get feedback from other owners, it will help me decide what my next step should be.
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The manual is correct, however, my foot is on the brake when shifting gears. Once the vehicle has stopped, if I hit the accelerator, it lags badly, then lunges. If I wait 2-3 seconds, there is no hesitation. It's like the computer needs time to figure out that it's OK to let me hit the gas. Considering I bought the "Sport Edition", this is unacceptable.
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I only have about a half of a second delay. I checked this out after reading your post. It does not immediately jump in gear but in no way is it 2-3 seconds. Seems like that could be corrected through programing since everything is computer controlled.
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I havent really push my RX yet, but i notice when I use to drove my IS, if I dont wait .5 sec after I done switch gear, there is hesitation (1 sec ish) and follow a suddenly acceleration.
I believe there is not too much about the car completely stopped or not, it is the time (.5 sec) required after changing the gear box. (of course, reverse gear while forward motion = bad)
My explanation is even you brought a sport package, but it is still an automatic after all, there is no way it will operation like manual w/ clutch. (as far as I know, sport package has no change on ECU, and engine setup).
I'll definitely test your scenario on my sport package RX, and I'll give you some result.
I believe there is not too much about the car completely stopped or not, it is the time (.5 sec) required after changing the gear box. (of course, reverse gear while forward motion = bad)
My explanation is even you brought a sport package, but it is still an automatic after all, there is no way it will operation like manual w/ clutch. (as far as I know, sport package has no change on ECU, and engine setup).
I'll definitely test your scenario on my sport package RX, and I'll give you some result.
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Thanks for the advice so far...I did take another RX vehicle for a test drive and found it did the same, hence the dealer saying this is "normal". There is no problem with fluid smell or burning. The vehicle has done this since new. My point is that this is not normal, regardless of how many vehicles do it. I worked for Toyota customer service for a year, no one ever called to complain of this issue. The dealer agrees there is a hesitation, they are just not willing to do anything about it. If I can get feedback from other owners, it will help me decide what my next step should be.
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I don't know which dealer in Ontario you are using, but it sounds to me like he is just trying to calm you down without fixing the problem. My vehicle is a 450h, so it is not comparable to your unit. I am convinced that my dealer is a scoundrel and I am considering getting all my service work done at the nearest other dealer, even though it is 100 km away. I suggest that, since you are also in Ontario, that you call Lexus Canada and take it up with them as the dealer is not fixing the problem. Best of luck.
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Mine got 0.5 second delay. With all the stuff controlled by ECU or chips, maybe this is why Toyota/Lexus says it's "normal". I do agreed many of the cars I used to drive had the faster or much faster response time.
Btw, someone did address the similar issue 13 months ago and he even got "stall" when shifting quickly.
I have to play Devil's advocate here. No matter it's "delay", "lag", or "stall", they're all related to "safety". However, I don't believe the gas pedal should even be depressed during this transaction. In normal life, I don't think this trick is said by instructors or any books.
Maybe it's time to consider not to do it!?
Btw, someone did address the similar issue 13 months ago and he even got "stall" when shifting quickly.
I have to play Devil's advocate here. No matter it's "delay", "lag", or "stall", they're all related to "safety". However, I don't believe the gas pedal should even be depressed during this transaction. In normal life, I don't think this trick is said by instructors or any books.
Maybe it's time to consider not to do it!?
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I agree that it might just be "perceived" that it is 2 seconds, but rather it is more like half a second. In a situation like that, it is easy to feel like the time is prolonged because you are frustrated with the tranny. Also, the sports package does not change the behavior of the tranny.