Talk me out of a '13 Audi Q5 Premium Plus
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Man, they put so much fuss into this scandal.
And Toyotas accelerate by themselves, yet we're still buying them.
I'd rather have some EPA number stated incorrectly, which has little relevance to real world conditions anyway.
I love seats in my Audi - at least they're designed for someone taller than 5ft: none of the Japanese vehicles I owned had lumbar support in the right place.
And Toyotas accelerate by themselves, yet we're still buying them.
I'd rather have some EPA number stated incorrectly, which has little relevance to real world conditions anyway.
I love seats in my Audi - at least they're designed for someone taller than 5ft: none of the Japanese vehicles I owned had lumbar support in the right place.
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We looked at the Q5 back in '13 when we were looking for a new ride for my wife. We really, really liked them but in the end, the cargo area was too small for our needs so we went with the RX, which we ended up being very happy with.
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Supporting a cheating car company is like accepting and supporting a cheating wife.......I am sure you would be against it.
To top it off they are now being accused of cheating on their gas vehicles.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...nomy/75101432/
But that's my two cents......
To top it off they are now being accused of cheating on their gas vehicles.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...nomy/75101432/
But that's my two cents......
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It was a no brainer for me. I love any Audi, but I feel pretty certain that Lexus didn't stay at the top of the heap by just doing nothing. I feel the Lexus dealers are a bit better to deal with than Audi & certainly more plentiful. Audi has made great strides in reliability, but just a few short years ago, they were not above #5 in reliability. One other thing to point out is the availability of parts for the Lexus. There are more of them, parts are more durable & they are cheaper. A Toyota product is typically easier to work on than an Audi, but not always. That should be a secondary note. You decide, but I don't find it exciting to get a $3000 bill for service work on a used car. All that driving excitement stops at that point. Good luck & let us know what you decide.
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Supporting a cheating car company is like accepting and supporting a cheating wife.......I am sure you would be against it.
To top it off they are now being accused of cheating on their gas vehicles.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...nomy/75101432/
But that's my two cents......
To top it off they are now being accused of cheating on their gas vehicles.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...nomy/75101432/
But that's my two cents......
Everyone is sitting so high on so many horses with Slacktivist notions regarding carbon reduction without realizing the horrific number of barrels of oil that their mere existence depends on. Depends on.
(I'm not taking shots at you, I am just pointing out another person's $0.02)
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These scandals are always political in nature. When Priuses started accelerating by themselves, just as government was helping "Big 3" from failing, I went ahead and bought one!
I will not have a government dictate which car I drive by manipulating public opinion. At the end of the day, it just means I get a better deal
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I'm surprised everyone here forgot what a scapegoat was made out of Toyota mere 6 years ago. How many frivolous lawsuits were thrown at it?
Was Ford fined billions of dollars when people were really dying from Explorers turning over because [correction:] Firestone tires blew out at factory-recommended 24PSIs? Now that's a killing spouse, not a cheating one.
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Bah! The requirement was to produce a car that passed that test, and, they did it. There's a slight, slight argument that they didn't cheat. The test was BS and it didn't represent real world, so how evil is it to find a clever tuning option that helped them get through it?
Everyone is sitting so high on so many horses with Slacktivist notions regarding carbon reduction without realizing the horrific number of barrels of oil that their mere existence depends on. Depends on.
(I'm not taking shots at you, I am just pointing out another person's $0.02)
Everyone is sitting so high on so many horses with Slacktivist notions regarding carbon reduction without realizing the horrific number of barrels of oil that their mere existence depends on. Depends on.
(I'm not taking shots at you, I am just pointing out another person's $0.02)
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And I think Firestone wore the worst of that. My view was that 100% of rolled over Explorers killed everyone inside and that seemed a little unreasonable.
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No carbon-deposits to clean every 40K miles with direct injection, no turbo failures, no oil consumption... all those fine things associated with a used German car ownership.
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That's a no-brainier, then, Lexus of course. She'll love it and you will have a piece of mind of having one less thing to take care of.
No carbon-deposits to clean every 40K miles with direct injection, no turbo failures, no oil consumption... all those fine things associated with a used German car ownership.![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
No carbon-deposits to clean every 40K miles with direct injection, no turbo failures, no oil consumption... all those fine things associated with a used German car ownership.
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If I went 2017, I would want Pano Roof, no Nav.
Is Premium or Luxury packages worth it?
What could I be looking at our the door?
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It's hard to tell what your numbers are going to be. You may want to check out 4RX forum.
I'd forego the Luxury package and get the Premium, unless higher lumbar support is important to you. Looks like they have 4-way adjustability in the Luxury package.
I'd forego the Luxury package and get the Premium, unless higher lumbar support is important to you. Looks like they have 4-way adjustability in the Luxury package.
Originally Posted by Premium Package $960
- REAR ARMREST STORAGE COMPARTMENT
- RAIN-SENSING WIPERS
- LEATHER INTERIOR TRIM
- ELECTROCHROMIC OUTSIDE MIRRORS
- ROOF RAILS*
- LEXUS MEMORY SYSTEM
Originally Posted by Luxury Package $4,485
- 20-INCH SPLIT-FIVE-SPOKE ALLOY WHEELS* WITH SUPERCHROME MACHINED FINISH AND INTERCHANGEABLE PAINTED INSERTS
- DRIVER'S-SEAT POWER CUSHION EXTENDER AND FOUR-WAY POWER LUMBAR SUPPORT
- SEMI-ANILINE, PERFORATED LEATHER–TRIMMED INTERIOR
- REAR ARMREST STORAGE COMPARTMENT
- RAIN-SENSING WIPERS
- MANUAL REAR-DOOR SUNSHADES
- ILLUMINATED DOOR SILLS
- HEATED WOOD- AND LEATHER-TRIMMED STEERING WHEEL
- ELECTROCHROMIC OUTSIDE MIRRORS
- GRAY SAPELE WOOD WITH ALUMINUM INTERIOR TRIM
- ROOF RAILS*
- AMBIENT LIGHTING
- LEXUS MEMORY SYSTEM
Check out Edmunds.com. You'll be able to find invoice numbers for the selected options. I usually try to get a vehicle at the invoice price.
Luxury brand dealers are not as motivated to negotiate, though. I had to drive out of state to pick up our last Lexus.
Luxury brand dealers are not as motivated to negotiate, though. I had to drive out of state to pick up our last Lexus.
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It's hard to tell what your numbers are going to be. You may want to check out 4RX forum.
I'd forego the Luxury package and get the Premium, unless higher lumbar support is important to you. Looks like they have 4-way adjustability in the Luxury package.
Check out Edmunds.com. You'll be able to find invoice numbers for the selected options. I usually try to get a vehicle at the invoice price.
Luxury brand dealers are not as motivated to negotiate, though. I had to drive out of state to pick up our last Lexus.
I'd forego the Luxury package and get the Premium, unless higher lumbar support is important to you. Looks like they have 4-way adjustability in the Luxury package.
Check out Edmunds.com. You'll be able to find invoice numbers for the selected options. I usually try to get a vehicle at the invoice price.
Luxury brand dealers are not as motivated to negotiate, though. I had to drive out of state to pick up our last Lexus.
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Thanks.... I feel like I am just screwed in my timeframe.... I really wanted to buy a $30-$35k Lexus RX350, but I really like the 4th Generation Model. I need to replace my wife's car, but feel like I am in a bind now. I guess technically, I could buy the 2013, ride it for a few years and trade it in for a 2017?
Is it worth buying used and trading it in 2 years later?
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Considering I needed to invest at year 4 into new tires and brakes, savings buying used may have been offset by that.
Then there may be some tax implications. Each state is different in how it collects the sales or property tax.
In some states, it is beneficial to drive older cars as the property tax is calculated each year on their value, while OH charges sales tax upfront and deducts value of a trade-in vehicle only on new purchases.
As I mentioned in one of the posts above, check out Subaru Outback. It will fit right in with your budget and it has more features than the RX, never mind a superior AWD system.