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Old 02-25-16, 06:34 AM
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Default Consumer Reports Review on '16 RX

Consumer Reports has come out with their review of the 2016 RX (on their web site - you may have to be a subscriber to view). It got a good review overall but they noted the RX's relatively poor rearward visibility and mushy handling as "cons". For me personally with the type of driving I do (lots of city driving, in and out of sometimes tight parking spaces), the rearward visiblity issue is a concern. I plan on buying a RX with the Blind Spot Monitoring system with RCTA as well as the Panoramic View monitor. These options are a must-have for me.
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I mostly back in to spaces and haven't had any rearward visibility issues. The camera and parking assist certainly help. You also have three rear view mirrors. You have the normal rear blind spot, but the camera takes care of that.
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Test drive one.
Only way to find out if this is for you.
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Here is the detailed review:

Lexus RX Road Test
Lexus, Toyota's luxury brand, knows its customers well. And since 1999, the pioneering RX SUV has won the trust of its buyers by delivering a driving experience accentuating comfort, tranquility, luxury, and superb reliability. The RX has long been the brand's top-seller, and the redesigned 2016 model faithfully carries the torch despite its menacing appearance.

Considering the success of the RX, the brain trust at Lexus knows they shouldn't mess with it too much. Which explains why the RX, like those that came before it, remains quite dull to drive.

We tested both the standard V6-powered RX 350 -- which starts at $43,300 -- as well as the hybrid RX 450h, stickering at $53,635. With a few options that you'd typically find on these cars, such as leather seats and navigation system, the as-tested price for the RX350 came to $51,630, and the RX 450h rang in at $57,565.

The 3.5-liter V6 in the RX 350, coupled with an eight-speed automatic transmission, has the smooth and ample power delivery that you expect in a luxury SUV. It also returns a commendable 22 mpg overall in our tests.

The hybrid version, however, offers the most compelling powertrain since it combines the one-two punch of the gas engine and electric motor, delivering acceleration and efficiency. The hybrid powertrain enables the RX 450h to dash from 0 to 60 mph in a quick 7.5 seconds (on par with the RX 350). Plus, it returns 29 mpg overall -- truly impressive for the class. While the hybrid relies on a continuously variable transmission (CVT), where speeds slide on a continuum rather than through defined steps, its rich torque manages to mask most of the quirks associated with a CVT. You can even poke along in the 450h on electric power only at low speeds, typically under 25 mph, with a light foot on the throttle. Even with the hybrid's many merits, we found it can produce some annoying droning sounds.

Clearly, the RX doesn't reward die-hard drivers with crisp handling or satisfying steering feedback. In fact, we were somewhat disappointed with the RX's handling as it quickly leans hard on its soft suspension and feels clumsy when pushed to its limits on our track. It wasn't unsafe, but didn't inspire confidence, either.

Despite the available "F Sport" variants, which add a stiffer suspension, special wheels, fancy seats, and more spoilers outside, the RX still isn't sporty to drive. In fact, the upgrade makes the ride worse. If you want an SUV with some fun bones head to the German competitors.

Also, the RX's brakes produced wet stopping distances that were rather long compared to what we typically see in this class.

Another knock against the RX is its styling; not everyone will warm to all of the body's sharp creases or that unmistakable gaping grill. The company tried to make the new RX edgier, but in the process it might convince some potential buyers to check out the much nicer looking competition: Audi Q7, BMW X5, and Mercedes-Benz GLE. But you'll likely spend more for the German models.

But what the RX does do-coddle well-heeled customers with reliable calmness-it does quite well. The interior is very quiet, and the ride is soft and cushy; both are longstanding RX hallmarks. The rear seat is roomy and the cargo hold useful.

You'll also find a tastefully done interior with fit and finish that looks rich and plush. Decorative stitching highlights the optional perforated leather seats and big wood panels ornament the center console. But the panels on either side of the steering wheel should be padded-instead they're hard plastic.

The downside of the RX's new styling also extends to diminished outward visibility. Driver vision is especially hampered looking to the rear, where a small sloped rear window and thick roof pillars block the view. We'd definitely buy the blind-spot monitoring with rear cross-traffic alert (optional on the RX 350 and standard on the hybrid).

Another gripe we have with the RX's interior is with the controls. While many basic audio and climate system operations can be done through simple and familiar buttons and *****, you have to work with a frustrating mouse-like controller to use most of the features displayed on the huge optional center screen.

The mini-joystick controller, mounted on the console, seems as simple as using a computer-when parked. The problem is that when you try to operate it when driving, things get frustrating fast. Despite tactile resistance that pushes back on the mouse when it lands on a clickable on-screen spot, it's way too easy to skitter past what you want. Imagine going to your favorite website at work and your desk periodically hits a large bump and you'll get an idea why we dislike this system so much.

At this point, the RX SUV has become a luxury commodity that gives satisfied customers exactly what they want. No wonder it is among the top-10 most popular vehicles owned by Consumer Reports's subscribers. While the newfangled styling may not be everyone's cup of tea, the RX continues to be a genteel, comforting, and cossetting vehicle that's likely to give years of headache-free ownership for those who are not looking for excitement.

ROAD TEST SCORE


3.5-liter V6 hybrid, CVT
This model is rated
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3.5-liter V6, 8-speed automatic
This model is rated
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New Car Reliability Prediction
Based on the latest survey, we expect reliability of new models will be much better than average
The Driving Experience

Handling
We can't define the RX's handling as agile; it feels so isolated that it doesn't instill confidence even in normal everyday driving. It doesn't take more than an innocuous highway ramp for the RX to lean on its soft suspension and tilt the body. The steering isn't particularly quick and gives very little feedback from the road. Matters get only slightly better if you opt for the Luxury package, which adds 20-inch tires.

On the track, the RX was completely out of its element. It proved very clumsy but ultimately, not unsafe. The car reached its cornering limits early, with copious body lean and the onset of a front-end plow, known as understeer. But thanks to its well-tuned stability control, the RX maintained its chosen line, albeit with reduced speed and very little driver confidence. Trust that the Toyota engineers tuned the RX's electronics to do their job to keep it out of trouble.

Not surprisingly it posted a modest speed of barely 50 mph through our avoidance maneuver and took some coaxing it through the cone-lined course by our drivers who didn't feel confident pushing the RX.

Powertrain
The RX 350's 3.5-liter V6 supplies oodles of uninterrupted motivation and makes it ready to pounce at your command. It covers the 0-60 mph dash in 7.5 seconds and packs more than ample reserve power for passing and climbing hills. The responsive eight-speed automatic shifts very smoothly. In Sport mode, shifts points occur higher on the rev scale and part-throttle downshifts arrive earlier. The RX 350 yielded 22 mpg overall on premium fuel -- commendable for a V6-powered luxury SUV.

The hybrid version, the RX 450h, posts a similar 0-60 mph acceleration time, but it feels quicker, thanks to the abundant torque supplied by the electric motors. The hybrid relies on a continuously variable transmission, but the rich torque manages to mask most of the quirks associated with a CVT. It can propel itself on electric power alone at low speeds up to around 25 mph with a light foot on the throttle. There is also an EV button that can lock in electric mode -- useful for stop-and-go traffic and poking along in parking lots. It shuts off by itself when the car determines conditions are no longer suitable for that mode. The hybrid's trump card is its 29 mpg overall on premium fuel, which is truly impressive.

Sport mode changes the dials to red and the hybrid's power gauge becomes a tachometer; it results in sharper responses to throttle inputs.

Off-road
The RX isn't designed for off-roading at all other than the occasional muddy trail.

Ride comfort
The RX delivers a very comfortable ride. The soft suspension does an excellent job of isolating and absorbing bumps. Either the standard 18-inch tires or the optional 20-inchers give a plush and luxurious ride. A highway cruise in the RX is a tranquil and relaxing affair.

Noise
Expect a subdued and quiet ride. Ambient noise is well suppressed inside and the 3.5-liter V6 is silky smooth in the RX 350, all contributing to a hushed cabin. The RX 450h hybrid certainly sounds quieter at low speed, especially when propelled solely by the electric motor. However, puncturing the hybrid's tranquility is an annoying hoot when the gas engine is on and a very light throttle is applied at about 1,500 rpm. Overall, the RX 350 was judged to be quieter overall.

Braking
The RX performed relatively well, delivering decent dry stopping distances. Wet stopping distances, however, were rather long compared to what we typically see in this class. Pedal modulation wasn't as grabby in the 450h as we're used to seeing in hybrids, masking the regenerative system fairly well. The 350 drew no complaints.

Headlights
Standard LED headlights are a pleasure to drive behind; they provide very good visibility both forward and to the sides of the road with a very bright, white light.

Inside The Cabin

Interior fit and finish
At first glance, and maybe even the second, the RX's interior looks rich and plush. Thick padding covers the center of the door panels and much of the dashboard. It even runs along the sides of the console, shielding your knee from hitting anything hard. Decorative stitching highlights the optional perforated leather seats and big wood panels ornament the center console; Nuluxe synthetic leather comes standard. Cars with the Premium package have nicer leather, rear window sunshades, and offer wood with inlaid aluminum stripes.

However, even when fully loaded up, some hard dashboard plastics still remain, in particular on either side of the steering wheel. German rivals from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes have more padded panels -- but they also cost thousands of dollars more.

Driving position
There is plenty of head, leg, and knee room for the driver. A power tilt-and-telescope steering column comes standard -- a nice touch. A well-placed left foot rest provides plenty of space. Short drivers liked sitting up high, but commented that the wide flat planes of the dashboard make the RX feel rather large to pilot.

Visibility
Styling affects outward visibility, and the RX's more aggressive styling reduces the driver's view out. This is especially noticeable when looking to the back, where a small sloped rear window and thick roof pillars block the view. Forward visibility is no prize either, with a deep dashboard, high hood, and thick windshield pillar bases. Large door mirrors and a big screen for the standard backup camera help.

Blind-spot monitoring with rear cross-traffic alert is a desirable option on the RX 350; it's standard on the hybrid. Adding a panoramic surround-view camera, helpful for parking in tight spots, adds an extra cost atop the blind-spot monitoring system.

Seat comfort
Wide and plushly-padded, the front seats are supportive. Power front seats are standard. One cheap touch, though: height adjustment for the lumbar support is limited only to RXs with the expensive Luxury package. At this price point, four-way lumbar adjustment should be standard. F Sport models have larger backrest bolstering, which hold you in place slightly better in the corners without being constricting. Backseat space is generous, with plenty of head, leg, and knee room. Reclining backrests are a nice touch. The flat floor provides good foot space for the person in the center seat; three adults can fit with reasonable comfort.

Access
Big doors, chair-height seats, and a nearly flat doorsill make access easy. Getting into the backseat isn't too much of a chore, with plenty of foot and leg room, but you do need to duck your head around the body's intruding frame because of the third-quarter window styling.

Gauges
The big instruments are brightly backlit and easy to read. A full-color display between the gauges shows trip and fuel economy information, as well as audio selections. Navigating that screen's choices via the steering wheel controls takes some learning, however.

Controls
Many of the RX's myriad functions can be done through simple, familiar buttons and *****, including basic radio selections and most climate controls. A few switches, like the seat heater buttons, are tucked away from easy view.

However, things get much more complex if you want to fully use all of the RX's features, thanks to a frustrating mouse-like controller, as explained below. Also, some climate functions beyond the Auto setting -- like syncing front temperatures, shutting off the air conditioner, or adjusting airflow -- take some digging through the screen to find and adjust.

Infotainment
Most RXs will come with the optional infotainment/navigation system with either eight-inch or 12.3-inch screens. On-screen text is large, and the larger screen can display a lot of information at once; splitting the screen lets you display both full audio player information and a navigation map, for example. Configuring the split screen takes some figuring out, and quite a few steps, but you can get used to it.

We wish we could say the same about the Remote Touch controller. This mouse-like mini-joystick, mounted on the console, is used to select from on-screen menus. Want to pick a particular song or click on a particular radio preset? Maneuver the on-screen cursor over the graphical button that you want, hover over it, and push the mouse down, or press a separate Enter button on either side of the system's wrist rest.

Sounds just like using a computer, right? While this familiar process is easy when sitting behind a desk, doing it when driving is frustrating and distracting. Despite tactile resistance that pushes back on the mouse when it lands on a clickable on-screen spot, it's way too easy to skitter past your desired target. Pushing straight down on the mouse for "enter" often sends you to another landing spot. Sometimes it's unclear which on-screen button is selected.

Too bad the controller is so frustrating, because otherwise the system isn't that difficult to learn. Although the screens are busy-looking, functions are clearly spelled out, and many basic functions can be done with the volume and tune **** and conventional buttons. This system would score much higher if it was a touch screen; indeed, the screen layout seems tailor-made for that entry method.

Basic RXs without navigation come with a rotary dial controller rather than the Remote Touch mouse. It's simpler to use, but still cumbersome to have to scroll through all of the various on-screen selections.

High points
Large screen with crisp graphics
Big on-screen lettering is easy to read
Conventional volume and tune *****, plus buttons for audio source
System menu logic is relatively straightforward
Low points
Very frustrating Remote Touch mouse-like controller proves error-prone and distracting
Apps are buried deep within submenus
Configuring split-screen takes some practice
Screens can be slow to update
Voice commands
Built-in voice commands are intuitive and are quick to process instructions, but it takes a while to get confirmation from the system that it understood your request. Siri Eyes Free is also supported for iPhone users.

Navigation
The optional navigation system is simple enough to use, allowing programming by either the controller (when stopped) or by voice. Other than traffic information, there are no over-the-air or live updates, unlike some rival systems.

Phone
Bluetooth phone pairing and audio streaming works well. Unlike many systems, you can browse your smartphone's library while using Bluetooth streaming, although connecting an iPhone with the USB cable gives more search options

Connectivity
Unlike some modern cars, you can still get a CD player. More contemporary options include an auxiliary input and two USB ports inside the console storage compartment. An optional rear-seat entertainment system with two 11.6-inch LCD screens and a dedicated HDMI port and DVD player is available.

Lexus Enform uses an onboard phone connection (not your phone) for talking with a live person. "Lexus Enform Destinations" allows an operator to help you find a destination; once located, they can remotely program the system in your car. The system can also notify emergency services if the car is involved in a crash and assist in finding the car if it is stolen. You can also schedule service appointments with the system. Service is free for one year after you get your RX.

Apps
The Enform Remote app supports unlocking/locking the car, remote start, and vehicle trace function via your smartphone. It can also send an instant alert to your smartphone if the car exceeds a preset speed or distance limit, allowing you to keep a remote eye on teen drivers or valets. This service is free for one year after purchase; annual pricing becomes rather expensive after that.

Access to apps, including Pandora, Slacker, OpenTable, and Yelp, is supported through Enform App Suite, bundled with the optional navigation system. The app suite displays results on the vehicle's screen rather than your phone, and it uses your Bluetooth-paired smartphone connection for service.

Climate features
As expected in this premium segment, the RX comes fairly loaded with climate features, such as an automatic dual-zone system, heated mirrors, and the like. One complaint was that the heated steering wheel only gets warm at the 3- and 9-o'clock positions on the rim; many wanted the entire wheel warmed. Another oddity: the seat heaters/coolers come with an "auto" setting, which, according to the company, coordinates their intensity with the set temperature of the air conditioning system, outside temperature, and cabin temperature. At first glance, this setting implied that the elements simply know when your backside is happy. Finally, the dual-zone climate control reverts to a single-zone system if the front passenger seat is empty. No, we don't know why...

Cabin storage
There's a deep cave-like storage spot right under the climate controls, but it's partially blocked when the shifter is in park. You also get a covered bin right behind the controller mouse (whose top is positioned like a wrist rest) but it's barely big enough to hold an old flip phone. At least it comes with a slot for snaking through a power cord. The front map pockets in the doors are huge as well as hinged at the bottom to ease access. The bin under the padded armrest is considerably more generous. The front passenger space also includes a small open cubby near the base of the console. Rear-seat passengers have a small covered bin in the fold-down center armrest.

Cup holders
Front passengers get two cup holders near the shifter. Rear-seaters make due with two cup holders nestled into the fold-down center armrest. All four doors have built-in bottle holders.

Cargo area
One of the more unique ways to open the power-operated rear hatch is via the touch-free system. To open the liftgate, simply put your hand at the top of the Lexus symbol on the rear of the RX. You can also use the key fob remote or touchpad just above the license plate. The storage area can swallow 30 cubic feet of cargo with the rear seats folded.

Spare tire
A temporary spare tire is standard and stores under the cargo floor.



Safety

Crash-test results
The RX is a Top Safety Pick Plus according to the IIHS, with good performances in their crashworthiness and front crash prevention testing.

Crash-avoidance systems
Blind-spot warning, rear cross traffic alert, forward-collision warning with automatic braking, and lane-keeping assist system are all available.

The buttons for controlling these various systems are conveniently located on the steering wheel spokes, making them easy to find. That being said, many of us routinely shut off the overly-sensitive lane-keeping assist system.

Forward-collision warning with automatic emergency braking uses radar and a camera to help with predicting if the system should give just an audible/visual warning or automatically start applying the brake to help prevent or lessen the impact of an impending crash.

The lane-keeping assist system includes lane departure alert, sway assist, and lane centering. Lane-departure warning lets the driver choose between an audible sound or having the steering wheel vibrate. The sway assist function provides a small amount of steering input for a short amount of time to keep the vehicle in the lane. It also alerts the driver with an audible and visual alert if the vehicle is swaying between the lane markings. The lane centering function works with the vehicle cruise control to help keep the vehicle in the lane. If the driver takes his/her hands off the wheel for a time, the system will send out an audible and visual warning.

Blind-spot warning uses radar and illuminates an icon in the outside mirrors to let the driver know that another vehicle is lurking in the next lane-- possibly hidden from view. Working with the same radar system, the rear cross-traffic warning operates when the RX is in reverse and will display an icon in the infotainment screen and sound an alarm to alert that a vehicle is approaching from the side.

Driving with kids
All child seats will fit easily with seat belts in all rear seating positions. The rear seat can also handle three child seats at the same time. The LATCH system is easy to use. The lower anchors are visible in the seat cushion, and the tether anchors are well labeled on each of the seatbacks.

Warranty

All cars come with basic warranty coverage, also known as a bumper-to-bumper warranty. This protects consumers against unexpected problems with non-wear items. Powertrain warranty protects against engine and transmission troubles. Rust through, or corrosion warranty, covers rust to non-damaged components. Roadside aid provides on-location assistance in case of a breakdown and may include limited towing services.

Extended warranties provide peace of mind. Owners of models known to have worse-than-average predicted reliability can mitigate risks with an extended warranty. Generally, we recommend buying a model with better-than-average reliability and skipping this expensive add on. If you do buy an extended warranty, it is key to read the small print to understand what is covered and where you can bring the car for repairs.
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0-60 in 7.5 seconds. Man that is slow compare to the competition.
I think I read someone reported 7.1 or even 6.9. This is a huge difference.
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.6 seconds is "YUUUUGE"??
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Originally Posted by daryll40
.6 seconds is "YUUUUGE"??
it is if you live your life a quarter mile at a time... hahah
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]The mini-joystick controller, mounted on the console, seems as simple as using a computer-when parked. The problem is that when you try to operate it when driving, things get frustrating fast. Despite tactile resistance that pushes back on the mouse when it lands on a clickable on-screen spot, it's way too easy to skitter past what you want. Imagine going to your favorite website at work and your desk periodically hits a large bump and you'll get an idea why we dislike this system so much.
I can agree with this one. I wish it was easier to use it, especially while in motion.
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quote :On the track, the RX was completely out of its element. It proved very clumsy but ultimately, not unsafe.

Completely out of its element ??? Really ? a racetrack ? what idiot tests a luxury AWD vehicle on a racetrack where it will never ever be used....and was never developed for anything even close .. and then makes the above statement ? Mind Boggling
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Originally Posted by LordBowral
quote :On the track, the RX was completely out of its element. It proved very clumsy but ultimately, not unsafe.

Completely out of its element ??? Really ? a racetrack ? what idiot tests a luxury AWD vehicle on a racetrack where it will never ever be used....and was never developed for anything even close .. and then makes the above statement ? Mind Boggling
What would have been more helpful is if they told us which car they tested (normal? F-Sport?) and in what mode it was tested. Should be fairly different.
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Originally Posted by LordBowral
quote :On the track, the RX was completely out of its element. It proved very clumsy but ultimately, not unsafe.

Completely out of its element ??? Really ? a racetrack ? what idiot tests a luxury AWD vehicle on a racetrack where it will never ever be used....and was never developed for anything even close .. and then makes the above statement ? Mind Boggling
well with the whole Lexus F Sport kick, only suitable right?
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someone bolt on a TRD Supercharger...
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For me its super interesting, pretty much all the reviews say the F-Sport has a worse ride, but when I test drove both multiple times I felt the F-sport had a much more stable less floaty ride.
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While normally I am all for consumer reports with there home appliances review. I dont really like their car reviews.

Why do people buy Crossovers and SUVs? Because of ultility, comfort, year round usability, luxury, and good NVH. People who buy these CUVs and SUVs are not going to race their vehicles on a race track or drag race them on the drag strip. Then why nitpick and give this vehicle an overall mediocre score solely because it cant handle spirited driving and will not stop on a dime?

These auto journalist really need to put there reviews onto different categories. For example when they are reviewing a Chevy Corvette they should judge by how it performs, power, handling, and 0 - 60 times. When they review the Honda Odyessey they should focus on ultility, economy, comfort and NVH. When they review Ford F-150 they need to focus on towing ability, power, ultility and off road ability.

Putting the 2016 Lexus RX into a race track is like putting the Odyssey off road testing or taking that Chevy Corvette and squeezing 8 people inside one.

If i want a vehicle to handle well and has plenty of power I would just buy a sports or muscle car. I would not even consider a CUV or SUV so why does these auto journalist test these CUVs like they are sports cars? It makes no sense to me.
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Originally Posted by AL13NV8D3R
While normally I am all for consumer reports with there home appliances review. I dont really like their car reviews.

Why do people buy Crossovers and SUVs? Because of ultility, comfort, year round usability, luxury, and good NVH. People who buy these CUVs and SUVs are not going to race their vehicles on a race track or drag race them on the drag strip. Then why nitpick and give this vehicle an overall mediocre score solely because it cant handle spirited driving and will not stop on a dime?

These auto journalist really need to put there reviews onto different categories. For example when they are reviewing a Chevy Corvette they should judge by how it performs, power, handling, and 0 - 60 times. When they review the Honda Odyessey they should focus on ultility, economy, comfort and NVH. When they review Ford F-150 they need to focus on towing ability, power, ultility and off road ability.

Putting the 2016 Lexus RX into a race track is like putting the Odyssey off road testing or taking that Chevy Corvette and squeezing 8 people inside one.

If i want a vehicle to handle well and has plenty of power I would just buy a sports or muscle car. I would not even consider a CUV or SUV so why does these auto journalist test these CUVs like they are sports cars? It makes no sense to me.
I guess you should tell Lexus to stop taking their current design direction away from Sport. Look at the end of the day Consumer Reports only tests what the mfg screams from the hills. If Lexus is screaming, I`m reliable and sporty, then consumer reports is gonna put the Lexus on the track to validate their claims.


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