Why doesn't RX350 offer a turbo?
#16
[QUOTE=sirtiger;9610939]After driving the 4RX for 6 months, I think this car could use more power. For such little cost, Lexus could have easily throw in a turbo or offer that as an option. Yes, 4RX has more HP but there is added weight since the 3RX which I had....so its the same to me. Since its a totally redesigned vehicle, the RX should be in front of the pack with their peers for HP. To me, only the Infinity QX60 is severely underpowered compared to the competition.
RX350= 295HP
MKX= 303HP, optional 335 HP
XC90= 316HP
MDX= 290HP
Q7= 333HP
i agree with the underpowered but it's more than just HP. My 2010 RX is quicker than the 2016, IMO. 0-60 published info supports that feeling. To me the 16's feel a little sluggish even though they have more power. The power band-torque and HP play a part in performance. More torque delivered at a low RPM vs peak torque and HP at higher RPM can make a big difference in real performance. The priority of economy over performance probably contribute to a loss of the "snappy feel". I have recently driven most of the SUV's you list. The German cars and the new Jag F Pace feel snappier and deliver better 0-60 acceleration times but deliver lower MPG's. I'm on the fence about what to buy because I love the interior and build quality of the RX.
RX350= 295HP
MKX= 303HP, optional 335 HP
XC90= 316HP
MDX= 290HP
Q7= 333HP
i agree with the underpowered but it's more than just HP. My 2010 RX is quicker than the 2016, IMO. 0-60 published info supports that feeling. To me the 16's feel a little sluggish even though they have more power. The power band-torque and HP play a part in performance. More torque delivered at a low RPM vs peak torque and HP at higher RPM can make a big difference in real performance. The priority of economy over performance probably contribute to a loss of the "snappy feel". I have recently driven most of the SUV's you list. The German cars and the new Jag F Pace feel snappier and deliver better 0-60 acceleration times but deliver lower MPG's. I'm on the fence about what to buy because I love the interior and build quality of the RX.
#17
Lexus isn't about making more power just to make power.
Look at the other cars in the line. GS and IS for example.
Also the current V6 will outlast any turbo engine.
#18
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If you think a turbo V6 is only going to cost a few hundred dollars to us you are sadly mistaken. (What is the difference in price between the X5 and the MX5 again? lol)
Lexus isn't about making more power just to make power.
Look at the other cars in the line. GS and IS for example.
Also the current V6 will outlast any turbo engine.
Lexus isn't about making more power just to make power.
Look at the other cars in the line. GS and IS for example.
Also the current V6 will outlast any turbo engine.
Its unfair to compare the X5 to the X5M. Have you driven it? I own a M5 and its more than just a 550i with more power. The ///M is also about suspension, seats, etc, etc....sort of like our F sport here. Turbo cost lexus manufacture a few hundred....what they would charge us is another story. Quite a handful of people here are obviously willing to pay for the FSport or the AWD option......and I am sure quite a few would pay a turbo
#19
N/A is always a better than a turbo V6 or S/C V6. No one can dispute that turbo or s/c is a cheap way to add power and not burn a lot more gas
Its unfair to compare the X5 to the X5M. Have you driven it? I own a M5 and its more than just a 550i with more power. The ///M is also about suspension, seats, etc, etc....sort of like our F sport here. Turbo cost lexus manufacture a few hundred....what they would charge us is another story. Quite a handful of people here are obviously willing to pay for the FSport or the AWD option......and I am sure quite a few would pay a turbo
Its unfair to compare the X5 to the X5M. Have you driven it? I own a M5 and its more than just a 550i with more power. The ///M is also about suspension, seats, etc, etc....sort of like our F sport here. Turbo cost lexus manufacture a few hundred....what they would charge us is another story. Quite a handful of people here are obviously willing to pay for the FSport or the AWD option......and I am sure quite a few would pay a turbo
I don't care what Lexus has to pay I only care what I have to pay.
#20
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Sorry, I was referring to cost....as in easy profit for Lexus. Lexus marketing a product people want to buy...perception is important. The horsepower race is people willing to pay for....just as in AWD marketing game. I believe I read that AWD system is one of the most profitable option in a vehicle...which is why almost every entry to mid price luxury vehicle tries to stand out from the 4matic, Quattro, SH-AWD, etc
#21
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Sorry, I was referring to cost....as in easy profit for Lexus. Lexus marketing a product people want to buy...perception is important. The horsepower race is people willing to pay for....just as in AWD marketing game. I believe I read that AWD system is one of the most profitable option in a vehicle...which is why almost every entry to mid price luxury vehicle tries to stand out from the 4matic, Quattro, SH-AWD, etc
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You have to keep in mind the Toyota/Lexus state of mind - the are not chasers of HP and brand new technology to boost performance. They are very methodical and careful, using proven methods and technologies.
Look at how everyone jumped on direct injection bandwagon, while Toyota took their time. It seems that carbon build up is pretty common for DI only engines, and IS250 did have that issue (im sure u can find people complaining about it on forums), but Toyota applied D4-S using both direct and port injected, and that seems to have no issues and it works. Now its spreading across their engine line up. Again, just highlights their conservative approach.
Now they have 2 liter turbo engine appearing, slowly but its there. They know their audience, they make money and grow. Why should they risk going FI? Is it truely such a simple thing, just slap a turbo?
What is Toyota/Lexus biggest innovation of last couple of decades? Hybrid, cvt and other boring things. Its their thing.
Look at how everyone jumped on direct injection bandwagon, while Toyota took their time. It seems that carbon build up is pretty common for DI only engines, and IS250 did have that issue (im sure u can find people complaining about it on forums), but Toyota applied D4-S using both direct and port injected, and that seems to have no issues and it works. Now its spreading across their engine line up. Again, just highlights their conservative approach.
Now they have 2 liter turbo engine appearing, slowly but its there. They know their audience, they make money and grow. Why should they risk going FI? Is it truely such a simple thing, just slap a turbo?
What is Toyota/Lexus biggest innovation of last couple of decades? Hybrid, cvt and other boring things. Its their thing.
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The RX200t turbo is offered in other markets except for the US... This would have been perfect here in the US market... http://www.lexus.eu/car-models/rx/rx-200t/
#25
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Reliability is the key for Lexus.
If you think a turbo V6 is only going to cost a few hundred dollars to us you are sadly mistaken. (What is the difference in price between the X5 and the MX5 again? lol)
Lexus isn't about making more power just to make power.
Look at the other cars in the line. GS and IS for example.
Also the current V6 will outlast any turbo engine.
Lexus isn't about making more power just to make power.
Look at the other cars in the line. GS and IS for example.
Also the current V6 will outlast any turbo engine.
#26
It drives me crazy that Lexus doesn't offer better power options in their lineup of vehicles.
#27
N/A is always a better than a turbo V6 or S/C V6. No one can dispute that turbo or s/c is a cheap way to add power and not burn a lot more gas
Its unfair to compare the X5 to the X5M. Have you driven it? I own a M5 and its more than just a 550i with more power. The ///M is also about suspension, seats, etc, etc....sort of like our F sport here. Turbo cost lexus manufacture a few hundred....what they would charge us is another story. Quite a handful of people here are obviously willing to pay for the FSport or the AWD option......and I am sure quite a few would pay a turbo
Its unfair to compare the X5 to the X5M. Have you driven it? I own a M5 and its more than just a 550i with more power. The ///M is also about suspension, seats, etc, etc....sort of like our F sport here. Turbo cost lexus manufacture a few hundred....what they would charge us is another story. Quite a handful of people here are obviously willing to pay for the FSport or the AWD option......and I am sure quite a few would pay a turbo
#28
After driving the 4RX for 6 months, I think this car could use more power. For such little cost, Lexus could have easily throw in a turbo or offer that as an option. Yes, 4RX has more HP but there is added weight since the 3RX which I had....so its the same to me. Since its a totally redesigned vehicle, the RX should be in front of the pack with their peers for HP. To me, only the Infinity QX60 is severely underpowered compared to the competition.
RX350= 295HP
MKX= 303HP, optional 335 HP
XC90= 316HP
MDX= 290HP
Q7= 333HP
QX60= 265HP
X5= 300HP
RX350= 295HP
MKX= 303HP, optional 335 HP
XC90= 316HP
MDX= 290HP
Q7= 333HP
QX60= 265HP
X5= 300HP
#29
Not having a turbo was a selling point for me on my '16 RX. Adding a turbo would have required premium fuel. A friend of mine just had his Audi A4 turbo replaced after 4 years. Fortunately it was covered under an extended warranty.
The RX has plenty of power for me. I'm not sure why I would need more. I have enough horsepower for passing and merging onto the highway.
I expect Lexus will add more turbo's if the federal MPG restrictions aren't lowered. But I doubt this will result in an increase in horsepower.
The RX has plenty of power for me. I'm not sure why I would need more. I have enough horsepower for passing and merging onto the highway.
I expect Lexus will add more turbo's if the federal MPG restrictions aren't lowered. But I doubt this will result in an increase in horsepower.
#30
The RX350 is plenty powerful in my opinion, just held back by a poorly mapped transmission. I'm sure software could fix the issue but it's clearly tuned for maximum fuel efficiency.