Does the 5RX have the same theft issue as 4RX?
10-01-23, 07:14 PM
#46
10-12-23, 07:10 AM
#48
While intercepting fob codes is a thing, that too has nothing to do with remote start. You don't even need a faraday bag for your Lexus key, just put the key in sleep mode by holding the lock button and pushing unlock twice and the light will flash 4 times to confirm. Here is a good article on how organized groups are stealing them in Canada to ship them overseas, this isn't done much in the US at this point. https://www.autoblog.com/2023/04/18/...PO2yBwCGZm8i6s
It will also save on battery life.
Funny though, when we bought the car and picked it up, she said congrats but by the way your car is easy to steal, here is a news report on it. Thanks mom…
10-12-23, 12:25 PM
#49
Intermediate
This will help for sure. I live in Canada and my mother in-law was so concerned about the thefts happening.
It will also save on battery life.
Sleep mode
Funny though, when we bought the car and picked it up, she said congrats but by the way your car is easy to steal, here is a news report on it. Thanks mom…
It will also save on battery life.
Sleep mode
Funny though, when we bought the car and picked it up, she said congrats but by the way your car is easy to steal, here is a news report on it. Thanks mom…
10-13-23, 10:14 AM
#51
Intermediate
Ouch! By any chance at the airport? Some high level theft ring has been operating up there for decades now...when the Expos played in Montreal, the players would go on road trips, drive their Porsches and Lexi to the airport, return in 10 days and find the cars gone...on cargo ships in the port before you can bat an eye.
10-15-23, 06:53 AM
#52
Trying to find solution…….. I owned a 2022 Executive RX. It was stolen in April CAN bus theft. I was able to track and recover the RX with the hidden AirTag. Between Police forensics, insurance, dealer, and back order of the GPS board. It cost insurance $10,000 plus my car rental to have my RX back after 3 months. During this time, I researched anti-theft devices and visited multiple installers. I received my RX on a Thursday before the Civic long weekend.
I was going to install the Starlink but never got the chance, The car was stolen again Sunday night. This time they found the AirTag and left it behind to be found, it was like giving me the finger. I’m convinced they put in their own tracker, I had the RX for only 3 days.
Two more months have passed since then and I just received my new 350h. I’ve decided to let nature take its course and not install any anti-theft devices. If you track your car and find it, it gets devalued with a Carfax Report. If you put in an anti-theft device your stuck with the repair costs of a failed attempt. Then there’s this horror story.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/wanted-kee...090000322.html
I was going to install the Starlink but never got the chance, The car was stolen again Sunday night. This time they found the AirTag and left it behind to be found, it was like giving me the finger. I’m convinced they put in their own tracker, I had the RX for only 3 days.
Two more months have passed since then and I just received my new 350h. I’ve decided to let nature take its course and not install any anti-theft devices. If you track your car and find it, it gets devalued with a Carfax Report. If you put in an anti-theft device your stuck with the repair costs of a failed attempt. Then there’s this horror story.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/wanted-kee...090000322.html
My neighbour who's 2022 ES was stolen 2 weeks ago from the terminal 1 lot at Toronto airport was told by the Toronto police detective who helped him get it back that if you don't want your Lexus stolen, buy a Mazda. His professional opinion is they never get stolen! I agree this is an issue that needs to be resolved on multiple fronts and the legal system needs to be modified as well, but it begins with the car. If they are this easy to steal, it's up to the manufacturer to do something. The really frustrating thing is that the technology does exist. Why doesn't Lexus/Toyota acknowledge they have a problem and integrate this into the cars? They have no issue integrating all kinds of tech, they have the engineering clout to do this. Not much of a leap to buy out one of these systems and design it in. Can even be a retrofit for current owners.
In the interim, I'd like to send a letter to the president of Lexus Canada. If anyone can share his email, I'm sure many others here would also do that. I've been told by dealership folks that guests writing letters gets action, more so than dealership feedback. So if enough of us do this, maybe they will listen and work on a resolution. Once they see sales impacted, they will definitely take action.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...vice-1.6994007
10-15-23, 08:37 AM
#54
Intermediate
I do think there's more to it that "easy to steal." It's a market out there, even among thieves, and a Lexus represents a much better payday than a Mazda. Which is why I usually bring my older, less valuable car to Montreal when I visit.
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10-15-23, 08:43 AM
#55
Instructor
Not just Montreal. Edmonton for crying out loud! https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/M...xusTheftsAug30
The EPS Targeted Response to Auto-theft Prevention team (TRAP) is investigating thefts of Lexus RX350 models throughout Edmonton. Most are 2019 to 2022 model years, but a few 2016 to 2017 model years have also been targeted. Nearly 50 Lexus RX350 SUVs have been stolen in Alberta in 2023, with 19 being from Edmonton and of those 6 occurring in the past 24 hours.
The EPS Targeted Response to Auto-theft Prevention team (TRAP) is investigating thefts of Lexus RX350 models throughout Edmonton. Most are 2019 to 2022 model years, but a few 2016 to 2017 model years have also been targeted. Nearly 50 Lexus RX350 SUVs have been stolen in Alberta in 2023, with 19 being from Edmonton and of those 6 occurring in the past 24 hours.
10-15-23, 09:37 AM
#57
10-15-23, 10:19 AM
#58
Driver School Candidate
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...vice-1.6994007
I feel the owner could've first looked into the malfunction in his vehicle before installing the IGLA system.
But in all honesty any car can be stolen. I suspect they picked the door lock and then used an OBD port method to start the car. These are common "lock-smith" or "dealer" functions. You can put as much security in your house-but a thief can still break into the home. It sucks...
But in Canada, go after-market security regardless of vehicle. At least until police really crack down and stop the port in Montreal-could be a while
I feel the owner could've first looked into the malfunction in his vehicle before installing the IGLA system.
But in all honesty any car can be stolen. I suspect they picked the door lock and then used an OBD port method to start the car. These are common "lock-smith" or "dealer" functions. You can put as much security in your house-but a thief can still break into the home. It sucks...
But in Canada, go after-market security regardless of vehicle. At least until police really crack down and stop the port in Montreal-could be a while
10-15-23, 06:48 PM
#59
And below is a follow up to that story. This really pisses me off. Lexus needs to step up and do something. They've lost at least 2 customers, this guy and me. If our NX is stolen, we're going to replace it with another brand. When it's time to replace this one and Lexus still ranks high on the theft list, we're moving on. Shame as we've owned 3 RX's and now the NX. We really like owning/driving the product but we are traumatized by the theft experience and the thought of not knowing if the car will be where we left it. For context, we had our 2020 RX350 stolen last December from the self parking lot of Park N Fly at YYZ. After much grief, we replaced that with a 23 NX 350h in February. Tried the Autowatch Ghost immobilizer, but that didn't work out (issues with the valet mode), so we removed it. It's similar to the IGLA system. We now use a club with a combination lock in higher risk lots. Was hoping this new generation RX/NX had technology that would defend against theft, as was hinted by the sales folks, but that is obviously not the case.
My neighbour who's 2022 ES was stolen 2 weeks ago from the terminal 1 lot at Toronto airport was told by the Toronto police detective who helped him get it back that if you don't want your Lexus stolen, buy a Mazda. His professional opinion is they never get stolen! I agree this is an issue that needs to be resolved on multiple fronts and the legal system needs to be modified as well, but it begins with the car. If they are this easy to steal, it's up to the manufacturer to do something. The really frustrating thing is that the technology does exist. Why doesn't Lexus/Toyota acknowledge they have a problem and integrate this into the cars? They have no issue integrating all kinds of tech, they have the engineering clout to do this. Not much of a leap to buy out one of these systems and design it in. Can even be a retrofit for current owners.
In the interim, I'd like to send a letter to the president of Lexus Canada. If anyone can share his email, I'm sure many others here would also do that. I've been told by dealership folks that guests writing letters gets action, more so than dealership feedback. So if enough of us do this, maybe they will listen and work on a resolution. Once they see sales impacted, they will definitely take action.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...vice-1.6994007
My neighbour who's 2022 ES was stolen 2 weeks ago from the terminal 1 lot at Toronto airport was told by the Toronto police detective who helped him get it back that if you don't want your Lexus stolen, buy a Mazda. His professional opinion is they never get stolen! I agree this is an issue that needs to be resolved on multiple fronts and the legal system needs to be modified as well, but it begins with the car. If they are this easy to steal, it's up to the manufacturer to do something. The really frustrating thing is that the technology does exist. Why doesn't Lexus/Toyota acknowledge they have a problem and integrate this into the cars? They have no issue integrating all kinds of tech, they have the engineering clout to do this. Not much of a leap to buy out one of these systems and design it in. Can even be a retrofit for current owners.
In the interim, I'd like to send a letter to the president of Lexus Canada. If anyone can share his email, I'm sure many others here would also do that. I've been told by dealership folks that guests writing letters gets action, more so than dealership feedback. So if enough of us do this, maybe they will listen and work on a resolution. Once they see sales impacted, they will definitely take action.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...vice-1.6994007
Has your NX been stolen? It has the newer security on the CANBUS so it shouldn't be as easy to steal.
I'm surprised the 23 was stolen. It has the newer CANBUS also. It makes me think someone on the inside already made a key but Toyota can check that in TIS. OBD can't just be used to start the car right away anymore. I'm wondering if this is just the only one that will get stolen though. Any vehicle with the new security loses its overseas theft market fast once they realize they can't repair or make new keys at all.
10-15-23, 09:31 PM
#60
Has your NX been stolen? It has the newer security on the CANBUS so it shouldn't be as easy to steal.
I'm surprised the 23 was stolen. It has the newer CANBUS also. It makes me think someone on the inside already made a key but Toyota can check that in TIS. OBD can't just be used to start the car right away anymore. I'm wondering if this is just the only one that will get stolen though. Any vehicle with the new security loses its overseas theft market fast once they realize they can't repair or make new keys at all.
I'm surprised the 23 was stolen. It has the newer CANBUS also. It makes me think someone on the inside already made a key but Toyota can check that in TIS. OBD can't just be used to start the car right away anymore. I'm wondering if this is just the only one that will get stolen though. Any vehicle with the new security loses its overseas theft market fast once they realize they can't repair or make new keys at all.
I’ve flipflopped on a daily bases about installing an aftermarket security system. I’m having a hard time evaluating what system best suits my use. I’m looking for real world ease of use, I don’t want to play with valet codes to turn the system on or off, try and explain that to my wife. I want to be alerted when the car is being towed away or broken into, like when I’m in a movie theater.
Nothing out there will 100% prevent theft , I understand that. Evaluating everything I think an on/off aftermarket alarm that makes lots of noise (Compustar with push start interrupt) will deter most thieves, and can prevent it from being towed away. Next problem…….. I’m still on the dealers first tank of gas, how long do I wait until any of my future mechanical issues are resolved before adding an alarm.