Originally Posted by SCoupe

Streetracer,

Let me say that the last comment indicates to me that you don't know what you are talking about, though you are entitled to you opinion, its a wrong one not shared by many on this forum. Not only do you make it sound like you lack the money to own the Supra, you probably lack the common sense to know how to drive or modify one properly either. The Supra is a legend and will easily fetch the price you think is too high.

A reality check about your plans and budget from one who has been there. This is not so much for you as it is for others who might think you know what you are talking about. I assure you that a simplistic approach to the project has you underestimating the money it will take to put this together.

It is pointless to itemize the parts you need, for example, but I'll give a few specifics, the W154 needs numerous parts other than just the tranny, a few biggies you'll need are a new flywheel, bell housing, mod the shifter, half shaft, different master cylinder closer to $1500-2000 on the tranny easily. Add a high performance clutch. A wiring harness is $700 -800, a USDM 2j is $3000 if you are lucky. Have you priced intercooler piping, how about electronics, like Apexi S-AFCII, Greddy EBC, turbo timer, wideband o2 sensors. Might you want to freshen up the engine, like all the oil seals, valve stems seals, all gaskets, you'd replace the water pump, upgrade the fuel pump, ARP head studs, probably should replace the timing belt and all the other rubber hoses and belts. You need a better fuel pump, do you know about the 12v mod, fuel dampener bypass. Oh yeah, how about a real radiator, like Koyo or above to handle the power and heat. Forgot about the SC's open rear differential didn't you? Nothing like sending 450-650 whp to the inside wheel only in a corner. Check into a finding a Supra n/a LSD. Once you get your guided missile up to 145 mph you might come to the horrifying realization that oem SC300 brakes are hopeless outmatched by the rest of the car. Forgot to mention that you need Supra TT compatible wheels to clear those brakes. You're going to want Supra Sway bars or better and need Supra subframe mounts, struts and springs needed also.

No labor in any of those numbers. oh, btw, have you checked into the going rate for a dyno and a qualified tuner to operate it and get the most from your project car?

No, the Supra TT is not overpriced for the benchmark that it set. It is to this day considered the most desireable Sports Compact ever sold in the world. The modded Supra can absolutely bury some very expensive and powerful super cars and will continue to until they start putting down 550 to 900 whp to be in a Supra's company. It is a timeless legend that has not been surpassed. Thank god our SC300 share its platform and can bolt on most of its parts. Yes, I like the SC for its creature comforts and finish, it is superior to the Supra in that respect.

Originally Posted by streetracr

Thanks for your input, but buying a MKIV is just out of the question, one because I do not have $25k and the other is that its just stupid to pay that much money for 93-94 model car with 80k miles on it. Especially when I can buy an SC300 for 6k, spend 6k on the swap ( 2JZGTE motor, 1JZ tranny, wiring harness, igniter, etc etc) and basically for $12k I can have a 2JZ powered SC with the same horsepower making potential.
You're right, the SC probably isnt that much heavier and to me doesnt look much longer or bigger, the Supra is one long & heavy car too. Also, I agree that with a nice suspension, I probably wouldnt notice too much handling difference, as in I drag race alot more anything and never road race or autocross.

If I had a big bankroll, I would go buy a Supra, or in fact more than one and store them because obviously they seem to be appreciating over time if they are low mileage and clean ( I am sorry but that car is seriously overrated & overpriced)

Originally Posted by Tri0 #3

I love my sc300. And soon will due the 2jz swap but considering the supra, I would pick the FD over the supra any day of the week. Id rather have a better handling car then a fast one. Faster on the straight away proves nothing just that the car is fast and your wallet is big not the driver. Its all about autocross!!! =D

Originally Posted by LexusFTW

then why would you do the 2jz swap? make your car handle better and keep it slow if its "all about the autocross."

speaking of this....I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY THIS!!!

drag racing is stupid, theres no talent involved, all you do is go sraight, blah blah blah, im an ignorant *****...

Seriously, GROW UP! I love drag racing/street racing/autocross/circuit racing and so on. But honestly every time i get behind the wheel to autocross/circuit race I dont feel comfortable and my head starts to spin (motion sickness). The point is...some people just arent made to race autocross; just like some people arent made to drag race. Next time, keep it to yourself.

Originally Posted by SCoupe

Streetracer,

Let me say that the last comment indicates to me that you don't know what you are talking about, though you are entitled to you opinion, its a wrong one not shared by many on this forum. Not only do you make it sound like you lack the money to own the Supra, you probably lack the common sense to know how to drive or modify one properly either. Thank you for making that wonderful assumption.

The Supra is a legend and will easily fetch the price you think is too high. To the right buyer yes that is true, a car or any item in some cases is worth whatever someone will pay to have it.

A reality check about your plans and budget from one who has been there. This is not so much for you as it is for others who might think you know what you are talking about. I assure you that a simplistic approach to the project has you underestimating the money it will take to put this together.

It is pointless to itemize the parts you need, for example, but I'll give a few specifics, the R154 needs numerous parts other than just the tranny, a few biggies you'll need are a new flywheel, bell housing, mod the shifter, half shaft, different master cylinder closer to $1500-2000 on the tranny easily. Add a high performance clutch. A wiring harness is $700 -800, a USDM 2j is $3000 if you are lucky. Have you priced intercooler piping, how about electronics, like Apexi S-AFCII, Greddy EBC, turbo timer, wideband o2 sensors. Might you want to freshen up the engine, like all the oil seals, valve stems seals, all gaskets, you'd replace the water pump, upgrade the fuel pump, ARP head studs, probably should replace the timing belt and all the other rubber hoses and belts. You need a better fuel pump, do you know about the 12v mod, fuel dampener bypass. Oh yeah, how about a real radiator, like Koyo or above to handle the power and heat. Forgot about the SC's open rear differential didn't you? Nothing like sending 450-650 whp to the inside wheel only in a corner. Check into a finding a Supra n/a LSD. Once you get your guided missile up to 145 mph you might come to the horrifying realization that oem SC300 brakes are hopeless outmatched by the rest of the car. Forgot to mention that you need Supra TT compatible wheels to clear upgraded brakes. You're going to want Supra Sway bars or better and need Supra subframe mounts, struts and springs needed also.
Well this is why I asked the question to see if some of the research I hade done was correct. Yes I have found SC's for 5-6k, and yes a shop in GA told me I could get a 2JZ swap in for around 6k. I know it doesnt include extras like a clutch, fuel pump, radiator, t.belt, seals, etc. That was just a price with motor, tranny, bell housing, custom driveshaft, all wiring, fmic, pipes, dp, tuned and running. I know there are always extras that arise when doing a large project, one of those while I'm in there kinda things. I know, I have built cars from scratch and the ground up.......maybe not a Supra or SC, but other cars. All to say is that I was just asking questions to see what I was getting myself into before diving headfirst into this project.



No labor in any of those numbers. oh, btw, have you checked into the going rate for a dyno and a qualified tuner to operate it and get the most from your project car?

No, the Supra TT is not overpriced for the benchmark that it set. It is to this day considered the most desireable Sports Compact ever sold in the world. The modded Supra can absolutely bury some very expensive and powerful super cars and will continue to until they start putting down 550 to 900 whp to be in a Supra's company. It is a timeless legend that has not been surpassed. Thank god our SC300 share its platform and can bolt on most of its parts. Yes, I like the SC for its creature comforts and finish, it is superior to the Supra in that respect.

Originally Posted by SpinAll4

Not to mention that the Lexus insurance is very high. My SC400 is the slowest car i've had, yet I pay more for insurance on it than anything else I've ever had.