TRD_Power

hahahahahahahha... "sloth love chunk."

raSCal

I agree with this assertion solely in the Darwinian sense.

O. L. T.

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CCC-TT

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my mom has the airbags disabled in her car because she is 4' 11" and its more dangerous to have them working (kinda the same thing about not letting little kids near the front seats cause the bag will do more harm than good). the first day i had my licence some dumbass from school decided it would be a good idea to drive down the wrong side of the road and hit my moms car in it and slammed me into a jeep in front of me, im pretty happy the airbags didnt go off because if they had her car would have been totalled, i would have been in pain, and i would have gotten yelled at for totalling her car even though it wasnt my fault

lobuxracer

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Steering columns haven't gone through anyone's neck in nearly half a century. It amazes me how people just don't get the fundamental concept of why airbags are a loser. Any safety engineer will tell you "NEVER add energy to a collision." But what does an airbag do? It punches you in the face. Very hard. Georgia Tech statisticians Mary C. Meyer and Tremika Finney have reasonably proved you are MORE LIKELY to be injured or killed in a car with airbags than a car without airbags. This is my direct empirical experience when my ex drove my '94 TT Supra into a wall at 60 mph. The airbags beat her up severely. My friends joked about the bruises on her face wondering if they were from the accident or if I inflicted the wounds because she was driving like an idiot. She was properly belted, properly positioned, and 5' 5" tall, but still suffered wounds she would not have had if there were no airbags in the car.

People who believe airbags are good are just proving they don't want to accept that something our government believes is safe really isn't.

And neuro - that picture is more likely a result of being smacked in the face with an exploding airbag than anything else. If you'd seen what they do first hand, you would not be so impressed.

If you want to remove the airbag from your SC, I say rock on. You have no choice but to do it yourself and there are plenty of guides for doing this on a number of Supra sites, just search for installing an aftermarket steering wheel. Also, be sure you have good belts (they should be replaced at least every 10 years), and if you decide to put in 4, 5, or 6 point harnesses remember they too will kill you in a roll if you don't have a roll bar. There are lots and lots of MkIV Supra owners who have done this to install aftermarket steering wheels. There are even adapters that allow you to keep your cruise control switch. Don't let the uninformed change your mind...airbags are the next thing on my list to remove from my Supra.

ramblux

I love how people talk crap about someone wanting to remove an airbag in this thread, but don't say anything to the dude in the "Going 150 is fun thread" about speeding.

mitsuguy

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wow, you say uninformed....

imagine the whiplash involved had your ex not had an airbag... I'd rather have some bruising than a sudden stop...

an airbag is designed to add a cushion to soften the blow and limit travel, in a similar way as to a HANS device is used in all forms of racing... limiting neck and head movement is crucial as well as softening any impact to the head and neck area...

mitsuguy

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speed is relative.... I've driven numerous cars at 150mph and above, both on the street and on the track... I personally don't see it as being a whole lot more dangerous than everyday driving, so long as conditions are suitable - away from other vehicles, dry, on familiar roads, etc (away from cops is important too)

sure, if something were to happen, it would hurt a lot more, however to me it's a whole different deal than defeating a safety net... it's kinda like taking the hans device off a nascar driver - you know you are risking your life, but lets at least be as safe as possible when doing so...

neurocity

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Oh my god your right, what was I thinking?!?! I'm going to go pull my airbag tonight...Then I'm going to see a therapist about my state of denial with the government....Please, There are just as many cases where the airbag helped as there is non-help. I just think taking out something that is supposed to (possibly help) in an accident is stupid....I guess I'm a in-denial idiot for thinking that they might work...ya got me.

Ahhh...yeeeaah. That picture was a joke...You know? haa haa haaaa?
And your absolutely right, after 7 years in the medical field, I have never seen anything first hand.....

I have seen people with broken Cheek bones, Noses, Orbital sockets, Skull fractures...And yes, we could say that it was from the airbag...Or we could say it was from the, oh.....The Sudden Stop of the vehicle while the occupants are still moving forward.

I have myself, and friends that are alive and fine, because of airbags. You don't want them, take em out.

lobuxracer

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Sarcasm does not make your opinion sound any more convincing. I can count deaths and injuries directly attributable to airbags and nothing more. Those are victims who didn't live because of an airbag and there is no question even from the experts. You can't show me a single statistic that proves beyond a doubt than an airbag saved a life.

Read the sticker on your visor. It says AIR BAGS CAN KILL. There is a reason that sticker is there. It indemnifies the manufacturer should the airbag kill someone.

Airbags should be OPTIONAL. Seat belts should be mandatory. And natural selection will decide if you should wear your seat belt or not.

I would not ask a medical professional about airbags anymore than I would ask someone in a body shop to tell me which cars are safest. You see the worst of it. You don't see the entire population. Only those who need medical attention. Dead people rarely need anything from a trauma center and that's what we're discussing. Probability of death with and without airbags. According to the NHSTA, the people led by Joan Claybrook et al who made airbags mandatory, airbags are the greatest thing since sliced bread. According to the statisticians at Tech, they are not.

Believe what you like, but surely I am no more idiotic than you are. I have examined the statistics, the studies, the engineering, and the first hand results. I think airbags have been a complete waste of money, and far more lives could have been saved with an investment (in the Billions of dollars now) on other technologies like my favorite DRIVER TRAINING so people can learn to AVOID accidents in the first place.

Leonard Evans view of airbags

Another well stated point by Dr. Evans.

Loyola University says airbags can kill.

Excerpt from here:
Attorneys are suing and winning!

A fairly complete explanation of my views.

I could go on and on about the politics behind airbag inclusion on all new vehicles, but much like my current career in Information Security, it is politics that determine solutions, not engineering or testing. Maybe being in the medical field has isolated you from how products are conceived, developed, and foisted on the public, but I have a very clear view of how and why it works. It's only rarely engineering superiority that wins.

ramblux

At least with pulling the airbag you're only endangering your own life rather than that of others.

neurocity

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Good, agree to disagree.

My personal experience, from Christmas day. Without the airbags going off, My mother and I would have been dead. The force of the impact turned the engine sideways in the bay.

The airbag in the new Mustang was much softer then the airbag in the 92 Camaro. So the auto manufacturers are doing something to improve the way they work.

My mother promptly went out and got an 07' Avalon...because it had soooo many airbags.

(And my sarcasm, is just the way I am, sorry.)
You know these guys are loving, seeing two mods going at it.

mitsuguy

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maybe you missed the part that said under suitable conditions, and away from others?


at any rate, I just read the whole http://www.luhs.org/depts/injprev/Tr...lp%20Or%20Harm site and all I can find is injury stuff related to kids 12 and under, which we have always known all along - they sit too close to things and for an airbag to work properly it has to be fully inflated by the time your body gets to it...

so, it seems as though they agree with everyone elses stance that airbags are safe when utilized properly...

lobuxracer

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I was in a '63 Ford Falcon which had no seatbelts. I looked for them when I got in the car because my dad told me to always wear them. We were traveling 35 mph when a '72 Impala failed to negotiate a turn (driver was intoxicated). He hit us at 75 mph, so combined impact was about 110, but the weight seriously favored the Impala.

The engine was knocked out from the front and went underneath to the back of the car behind the bumper. Completely gone from the front. No one died. Injuries were significant but only life threatening for my sister sitting in the middle because she broke off the rear view with her forehead and sliced her head wide open. She also broke her nose. Injuries were significant for all in the front and minor for those in the back. If lap belts had been available, none of us would have sustained serious injuries because they would have prevented us from hitting the things we hit. Had lap belts and shoulder belts been available we would have walked away and marveled the wreckage.

So, I don't buy the argument that I need an explosive device in front of me to protect me.

Finally, I noticed on a recent round trip from Atlanta to New York City that an alarming number of passengers had their feet propped up on the dash. I bet they don't know they'd likely lose their feet if the airbag deployed. If you are "out of position" your odds of death or injury rise geometrically. How many real people are "in position" for these devices to work correctly?

Again, I suggest real world results do not agree with the NHSTA's assessment. They have a vested interest in being "right." I would not trust them any more than any other used car salesman because they are so deeply committed to being correct.

neurocity

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Damn Lance....You really hate Airbags.