92 Sc400 Modified Vs 2002 Sc430
03-14-02, 10:07 AM
#61
I doubt a GS4 has a chance against a LT1 fbody
from what i've seen they run 14.1s 14.2s stock; their advantage seems to be having a manual transmission available
GS4s from what I've seen run anywhere from 14.5-14.9 and are slow as a dog off the line... my friend in a WRX made that quite clear when he yanked 3 cars on one out of the hole about a month ago
All in all, they aren't nearly as fast as most of the owners on this board claim them to be
A lot of them claim to beat Altimas and Maximas daily; which is BS.
I also remember some claiming they might be able to beat a Ferrari Testerossa or Buick Grand National
thing is both times they were like: "well if they weren't running on all cylinders or were messed up or something, then we'd win"
which is pathetic!
from what i've seen they run 14.1s 14.2s stock; their advantage seems to be having a manual transmission available
GS4s from what I've seen run anywhere from 14.5-14.9 and are slow as a dog off the line... my friend in a WRX made that quite clear when he yanked 3 cars on one out of the hole about a month ago
All in all, they aren't nearly as fast as most of the owners on this board claim them to be
A lot of them claim to beat Altimas and Maximas daily; which is BS.
I also remember some claiming they might be able to beat a Ferrari Testerossa or Buick Grand National
thing is both times they were like: "well if they weren't running on all cylinders or were messed up or something, then we'd win"
which is pathetic!
03-14-02, 10:24 AM
#62
Lexus Champion
1) New Car Review
1998 Lexus SC400
by Tom Hagin
"SPECIFICATIONS
Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price $ 52,700
Price As Tested $ 55,897
Engine Type VVTi* DOHC 4-valve 4.0 Liter V8 w/SMFI**
Engine Size 242 cid/3969 cc
Horsepower 290 @ 6000 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 300 @ 4000 RPM
Wheelbase/Width/Length 105.9"/70.9"/192.5"
Transmission Five-speed automatic
Curb Weight 3693 pounds
Fuel Capacity 20.6 gallons
Tires (F/R) P225/55R16
Brakes (F/R) Disc (ABS)/disc (ABS)
Drive Train Front-engine/rear-wheel-drive
Vehicle Type Four-passenger/two-door
Domestic Content N/A
Coefficient of Drag (Cd.) 0.31
PERFORMANCE
EPA Economy, miles per gallon
city/highway/average 19/25/23
0-60 MPH 6.5 seconds
1/4 Mile (E.T.) 14.7 seconds @ 93 mph
Top speed 149 mph
* Variable valve timing/intelligence
** Sequential multi-port fuel injection "
From the Lexus official Website
2) "Click here to see the changes made to the 1998 SC 400.
The Lexus SC 400 was first created for those seeking a car whose spirit is somehow connected to their own. The designers combined a sensuous shape, a powerful drivetrain and an agile suspension with the luxury and elegance of a Lexus.
For 1998, the SC 400 was further refined by new Electronically Controlled Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i).
The 290-horsepower V8 can take the SC 400 from 0 to 60 mph in a mere 6.3 seconds.1 Inside you'll find added luxuries including bird's-eye maple interior trim, a leather-wrapped three-spoke steering wheel and the adoption of an in-key multifunction remote. And outside? The same sleek, curvaceous sheet metal.
DIMENSIONS
Overall length 192.5 in
Width 70.9 in
Height 53.2 in
Wheelbase 105.9 in
Curb weight 3,655 lb
Fuel-tank capacity 20.6 gallons
ENGINE
90º V8, aluminum block and heads
Horsepower at rpm 290 hp @ 6,000
Torque at rpm 300 lb-ft @ 4,000
TRANSMISSION
Five-speed automatic Electronically Controlled Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i). Overdrive fifth gear, auto-select shift program, engine/transmission networking, flex-lockup torque converter
PERFORMANCE
0 - 60 mph acceleration 6.3 seconds1
1/4-mile acceleration 14.7 seconds1
Top track speed 149 mph1
Fuel consumption 19/25 mpg city/highway3
Aerodynamic drag coefficient 0.32 (0.31 with optional rear spoiler)
Turning circle 36.1 ft
3) The GS 400 was introduced in 1998. The 1998 and 1999 GS models represent the second-generation GS and include both the GS 400 and 300. The first generation was based on the GS 300 only.
DIMENSIONS
Overall length 189.2 in
Width 70.9 in
Height 56.7 in
Wheelbase 110.2 in
Curb weight 3,690 lb
Fuel-tank capacity 19.8 gallons
ENGINE
90º V8, aluminum block and heads
Horsepower at rpm 300 hp @ 6,000
Torque at rpm 310 lb-ft @ 4,000
TRANSMISSION
Five-speed automatic Electronically Controlled Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i). E-shift, with controls on steering wheel. Overdrive fifth gear, auto-select shift program, engine/transmission networking, flex-lockup torque converter
PERFORMANCE
0 - 60 mph acceleration 5.8 seconds5
1/4-mile acceleration 14.3 seconds6
Top track speed 149 mph6
Fuel economy 17/24 mpg city/highway7
Aerodynamic drag coefficient 0.29
5Car and Driver, October 1997. These performance capacity figures are for comparison only and were obtained with prototype vehicles by professional drivers using special safety equipment and procedures. These should not be attempted on public streets or highways."
All these publications and many more are saying that the difference between the two cars is .4 , but publications are more times than not, WRONG
As we all know a healthy GS really runs 14.5 in the 1/4 stock. With the better traction offered by the LSD I think it could easily do the quoted 14.3. Anyway I don't think the gap is really .4 but more like .2. Once again both, fast cars.
1998 Lexus SC400
by Tom Hagin
"SPECIFICATIONS
Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price $ 52,700
Price As Tested $ 55,897
Engine Type VVTi* DOHC 4-valve 4.0 Liter V8 w/SMFI**
Engine Size 242 cid/3969 cc
Horsepower 290 @ 6000 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 300 @ 4000 RPM
Wheelbase/Width/Length 105.9"/70.9"/192.5"
Transmission Five-speed automatic
Curb Weight 3693 pounds
Fuel Capacity 20.6 gallons
Tires (F/R) P225/55R16
Brakes (F/R) Disc (ABS)/disc (ABS)
Drive Train Front-engine/rear-wheel-drive
Vehicle Type Four-passenger/two-door
Domestic Content N/A
Coefficient of Drag (Cd.) 0.31
PERFORMANCE
EPA Economy, miles per gallon
city/highway/average 19/25/23
0-60 MPH 6.5 seconds
1/4 Mile (E.T.) 14.7 seconds @ 93 mph
Top speed 149 mph
* Variable valve timing/intelligence
** Sequential multi-port fuel injection "
From the Lexus official Website
2) "Click here to see the changes made to the 1998 SC 400.
The Lexus SC 400 was first created for those seeking a car whose spirit is somehow connected to their own. The designers combined a sensuous shape, a powerful drivetrain and an agile suspension with the luxury and elegance of a Lexus.
For 1998, the SC 400 was further refined by new Electronically Controlled Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i).
The 290-horsepower V8 can take the SC 400 from 0 to 60 mph in a mere 6.3 seconds.1 Inside you'll find added luxuries including bird's-eye maple interior trim, a leather-wrapped three-spoke steering wheel and the adoption of an in-key multifunction remote. And outside? The same sleek, curvaceous sheet metal.
DIMENSIONS
Overall length 192.5 in
Width 70.9 in
Height 53.2 in
Wheelbase 105.9 in
Curb weight 3,655 lb
Fuel-tank capacity 20.6 gallons
ENGINE
90º V8, aluminum block and heads
Horsepower at rpm 290 hp @ 6,000
Torque at rpm 300 lb-ft @ 4,000
TRANSMISSION
Five-speed automatic Electronically Controlled Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i). Overdrive fifth gear, auto-select shift program, engine/transmission networking, flex-lockup torque converter
PERFORMANCE
0 - 60 mph acceleration 6.3 seconds1
1/4-mile acceleration 14.7 seconds1
Top track speed 149 mph1
Fuel consumption 19/25 mpg city/highway3
Aerodynamic drag coefficient 0.32 (0.31 with optional rear spoiler)
Turning circle 36.1 ft
3) The GS 400 was introduced in 1998. The 1998 and 1999 GS models represent the second-generation GS and include both the GS 400 and 300. The first generation was based on the GS 300 only.
DIMENSIONS
Overall length 189.2 in
Width 70.9 in
Height 56.7 in
Wheelbase 110.2 in
Curb weight 3,690 lb
Fuel-tank capacity 19.8 gallons
ENGINE
90º V8, aluminum block and heads
Horsepower at rpm 300 hp @ 6,000
Torque at rpm 310 lb-ft @ 4,000
TRANSMISSION
Five-speed automatic Electronically Controlled Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i). E-shift, with controls on steering wheel. Overdrive fifth gear, auto-select shift program, engine/transmission networking, flex-lockup torque converter
PERFORMANCE
0 - 60 mph acceleration 5.8 seconds5
1/4-mile acceleration 14.3 seconds6
Top track speed 149 mph6
Fuel economy 17/24 mpg city/highway7
Aerodynamic drag coefficient 0.29
5Car and Driver, October 1997. These performance capacity figures are for comparison only and were obtained with prototype vehicles by professional drivers using special safety equipment and procedures. These should not be attempted on public streets or highways."
All these publications and many more are saying that the difference between the two cars is .4 , but publications are more times than not, WRONG
As we all know a healthy GS really runs 14.5 in the 1/4 stock. With the better traction offered by the LSD I think it could easily do the quoted 14.3. Anyway I don't think the gap is really .4 but more like .2. Once again both, fast cars.
Last edited by JAC JZS; 03-14-02 at 10:28 AM.
03-14-02, 10:53 AM
#63
Lexus Champion
It seems incredible to me that these publications show the GS4 outrunning the SC4 by .7sec 0-60 and .4sec 1/4mile, yet they show almost identical weight between the two, so you're telling me intake and exhaust differences plus a LSD (didn't realize the GS4 came with ltd slip) account for .7sec 0-60? Like you said, the mag must be a bit off, but I don't understand why these journalists aren't getting almost identical times from the two. While we're on the subject of the differential, was the SC4 (i'm referring to all 92-2K) ever offered with a LSD? I'm pretty sure the SC3 never had one, but someone told me the SC4 might have one, and if I lay some rubber in my SC4, i'm gettin' two strips, just curious, since a truly open rear would just be spinning one tyre, I doubt it's a Torsen or anything, just curious if anyone knows for sure, maybe Jeff, Scott, or Bean. I'm seriously considering putting a GTE in this thing at some point (yes, I know the mounts, a/c lines, harness, etc are different with the 8, i'll never find a Renaissance Red SC300 in this condition and loaded, so i'll do this one) and I want to know where i'm at as far as the rear.
03-14-02, 11:09 AM
#64
Lexus Champion
Originally posted by JAC JZS
As we all know a healthy GS really runs 14.5 in the 1/4 stock. With the better traction offered by the LSD I think it could easily do the quoted 14.3. Anyway I don't think the gap is really .4 but more like .2. Once again both, fast cars.
As we all know a healthy GS really runs 14.5 in the 1/4 stock. With the better traction offered by the LSD I think it could easily do the quoted 14.3. Anyway I don't think the gap is really .4 but more like .2. Once again both, fast cars.
03-14-02, 02:19 PM
#68
Lexus Champion
Performancewise, you mean? 0-60 in 6.9-7.3 Quarter in about 15.3 sec, weight is (depending on options) around 3600lbs even. Pretty sad that a '92-95 SC4 is about a full second behind a GS4. I drive a buddy's GS4, thinking how it's really not fast, but decent, then get in my SC4 and feel like i'm bustin' through the floorpan with my foot just to get going, too bad that motor has no power at all below 3500-4000rpm, you can definitely feel it come onto the cams. Not much of a sport coupe in my opinion, but i still love it, they should have just offered the 2.5litre TT here, that's all. Sad to lose to a luxobarge that's so big it doesn't even look right until you put 19's on it.
03-14-02, 02:23 PM
#69
Lex, I dunno, I've heard both
the SC3 never came with one; the N/A Supra had an option
I don't know about the SC4 though; it seems probable that it would have one though being that it has a torquey V8 and traction control.
Dunno, if you're laying TWO strips then it seems you're not a peg-leg; I sure as hell spin one tire; pisses me off majorly at the track too.
the SC3 never came with one; the N/A Supra had an option
I don't know about the SC4 though; it seems probable that it would have one though being that it has a torquey V8 and traction control.
Dunno, if you're laying TWO strips then it seems you're not a peg-leg; I sure as hell spin one tire; pisses me off majorly at the track too.
03-14-02, 02:36 PM
#70
Lexus Champion
Bean, just noticed your post now, I couldn't agree more. First of all, I hate all this talk about 'the guy wasn't racing' or 'I beat that Testarossa 'cause it was running on like two cylinders' The laws of physics are kinda hard to bull***** your way through, a GS4 would definitely get wasted by an LT1 F-body, the launch alone would be a couple carlengths. As far as a GN goes, Bean, give me any old $500 Regal, a stock '86-87 GN drivetrain for $2000 (I got a motor, trans, harness, computer, intercooler, every single thing except the rear, which I already had, for $600 once, even got some chrome intercooler piping and silicone couplers thrown in, and that included delivery to my driveway), and only $1000 for mods, and i'll smoke 90% of what's on the street. These cars were a 14.0-14.2 stock, plenty of my friends bought them new, one of them Jimmy ran a 13.7 bone stock with just a filter. Put a couple of bolt ons in, and they wake up. Boost is the ultimate sleeper, I had a T-Bird Turbo coupe that I played with that used to hand a stock GS all four of it's doors at about 1.5bar.
03-14-02, 02:50 PM
#72
Lexus Champion
Having trouble posting this one for some reason, sorry if it duplicates. Bean, i'm dying to know if it is an LSD in there, that would give me one more incentive to keep the SC4 and put a GTE in. I have a review from autospeed.com on the V8 Soarer, it says 'a Torsen LSD is fitted as standard while traction control is an option,' anyone got more info? If it's true, it also means increased availability of LSD's for swaps into SC3s, so we all benefit.
- Jon
- Jon
03-14-02, 03:36 PM
#73
Lexus Champion
Neon beats Ferrari
Originally posted by Lex Luthor
As far as a GN goes, Bean, give me any old $500 Regal, a stock '86-87 GN drivetrain for $2000 (I got a motor, trans, harness, computer, intercooler, every single thing except the rear, which I already had, for $600 once, even got some chrome intercooler piping and silicone couplers thrown in, and that included delivery to my driveway), and only $1000 for mods, and i'll smoke 90% of what's on the street. These cars were a 14.0-14.2 stock, plenty of my friends bought them new, one of them Jimmy ran a 13.7 bone stock with just a filter. Put a couple of bolt ons in, and they wake up. Boost is the ultimate sleeper, I had a T-Bird Turbo coupe that I played with that used to hand a stock GS all four of it's doors at about 1.5bar.
As far as a GN goes, Bean, give me any old $500 Regal, a stock '86-87 GN drivetrain for $2000 (I got a motor, trans, harness, computer, intercooler, every single thing except the rear, which I already had, for $600 once, even got some chrome intercooler piping and silicone couplers thrown in, and that included delivery to my driveway), and only $1000 for mods, and i'll smoke 90% of what's on the street. These cars were a 14.0-14.2 stock, plenty of my friends bought them new, one of them Jimmy ran a 13.7 bone stock with just a filter. Put a couple of bolt ons in, and they wake up. Boost is the ultimate sleeper, I had a T-Bird Turbo coupe that I played with that used to hand a stock GS all four of it's doors at about 1.5bar.
