supra, built na??
10-13-09, 05:25 PM
#18
the parts list being extensive, and the outcome being less than spectacular, i still think this is pretty cool. Boost is the way to go to make mega HP, but with NA cars a lot more thought has to go into making the power. The thought that goes into NA cars is really complex but once you get through the cobwebs of formulas and numbers i think it's kinda neat. Would i rock an NA 2JZ? Sure. Would i pay out the *** for 300hp out of it? no.
I wouldn't put it into a heavy *** supra either, something lighter like an AE86 or even a miata. Then it would have some very tasty results. I think there is one floating around here in a MKII or something...
I wouldn't put it into a heavy *** supra either, something lighter like an AE86 or even a miata. Then it would have some very tasty results. I think there is one floating around here in a MKII or something...
10-13-09, 05:49 PM
#19
given the wide selection of parts and potential of these motors, going NA is a waste whether you have money or not. a cheap NA-T setup im sure cost way less than this and yields more power just bolting it on. a stock gte with dp, exhaust, boost controller, and a bcc easily makes 400hp
sure he can spend $10,000+ to be different... and not be like everyone else... and he sure did achieve that... hes different by being the slowest modded supra in a pack of 500-1500hp supras.
being different is not always the best route... people all go turbo and big singles for a reason on supras. if its frowned upon to follow the crowd and go turbo well then frown on me... at least i can go fast and keep up with the crowd and not be dead last trying to keep up with 10k in upgrades and 300hp
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10-13-09, 07:37 PM
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If the guy wanted to be "different" then he should build something "different" that no one else builds like a daewoo..... people expect Supra's to be fast and this one just isn't, its stupid. 300 hp isn't anything worth bragging about these days. If thats all he wanted it would be cooler (more different) to swap in a 3UZ V8. As stated earlier there is a reason people dont build N/A GE's because its a waste of time and money.
10-13-09, 07:46 PM
#21
If I was looking at two identical cars making 500hp, one turbocharged and one N/A. I would give much more respect to the person who is N/A because it takes some real knowledge to make that kind of horsepower out of a N/A rather than "slapping on a turbo".
Who knows maybe the supra in this post just doesn't like boost lag.
Who knows maybe the supra in this post just doesn't like boost lag.
10-13-09, 08:06 PM
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If I was looking at two identical cars making 500hp, one turbocharged and one N/A. I would give much more respect to the person who is N/A because it takes some real knowledge to make that kind of horsepower out of a N/A rather than "slapping on a turbo".
Who knows maybe the supra in this post just doesn't like boost lag.
Who knows maybe the supra in this post just doesn't like boost lag.
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10-13-09, 08:55 PM
#23
If I was looking at two identical cars making 500hp, one turbocharged and one N/A. I would give much more respect to the person who is N/A because it takes some real knowledge to make that kind of horsepower out of a N/A rather than "slapping on a turbo".
Who knows maybe the supra in this post just doesn't like boost lag.
Who knows maybe the supra in this post just doesn't like boost lag.
It takes real knowledge to do anything with cars period. Would you trust just anyone to build and tune a 600hp turbo car with thousands invested in it?
This GE build isn't really spectacular either. If you look at the mod list, its pretty much off the self stuff and maybe a few trips the machine shop to bore and sand things up and a weld stuff here and there; pretty standard and nothing incredibly innovative or new. It's pretty much "slapping together some aftermarket parts" to make a parallel with your statement.
There's no black magic sorcery going on with making power that demands respect. The only thing that should matter if its actually worth anything. 300hp is camry territory
10-14-09, 12:55 PM
#24
"his engine has been highly modified to produce 305 HP at 7,500 rpm, that's over 100 HP per liter."
I don't see "306hp at the wheels" in the article, so I don't know where you pulled that crank hp / wheel hp information from. Its so easy to manipulate numbers for magazine articles to make it seem better than it really is and i've personally seen this done so many times (ex. making up "estimated" numbers on the spot for a car that's just been freshly built and not even tuned / not being specific of whp or bhp).
I don't know what kind set-ups of the NA-T guys you're hanging out with, but having trouble breaking 300whp is just shows complete inexperience and lack of proper tuning.
I don't see "306hp at the wheels" in the article, so I don't know where you pulled that crank hp / wheel hp information from. Its so easy to manipulate numbers for magazine articles to make it seem better than it really is and i've personally seen this done so many times (ex. making up "estimated" numbers on the spot for a car that's just been freshly built and not even tuned / not being specific of whp or bhp).
I don't know what kind set-ups of the NA-T guys you're hanging out with, but having trouble breaking 300whp is just shows complete inexperience and lack of proper tuning.
Last edited by 2turbo1sup; 10-14-09 at 12:58 PM.
10-14-09, 03:58 PM
#26
^^ I wish magazines articles are more in depth rather than boasting misleading numbers. Its really hard to tell if its WHP or crank, but judging from the language used to describe it, it seems as if it were the net output of just the engine.
Im not ragging on the build though, its put together well with no expense spared. Im just dumbfounded by the fact that they used all their resources to fundamentally polish a turd =/. With this kind of budget on a build, i'd be more impressed on a low powered track prepped NA-T thats a daily driver
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Im not ragging on the build though, its put together well with no expense spared. Im just dumbfounded by the fact that they used all their resources to fundamentally polish a turd =/. With this kind of budget on a build, i'd be more impressed on a low powered track prepped NA-T thats a daily driver
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10-14-09, 08:16 PM
#27
YSR Supra
I love it! Different, yes. Clearly the customer who wanted this built had no interest in high HP numbers. This car is more of a proof-of-concept for YSR. Not bad considering the shop is only about the size of a typical 2 bedroom house with just two bays.
If you check out their site, you'll see that are quite good with JZ's and 7M's.
PERSONALLY, I'll take a true twin setup with ITBs!
YSR
http://www.ysr.gr.jp/
original documentation of the NA supra:
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~soundfrk/C...5/20061125.htm
Supra Forums AU / HPI Magazine article:
http://www.supraforums.com.au/forum/...ad.php?t=29220
If you check out their site, you'll see that are quite good with JZ's and 7M's.
PERSONALLY, I'll take a true twin setup with ITBs!
YSR
http://www.ysr.gr.jp/
original documentation of the NA supra:
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~soundfrk/C...5/20061125.htm
Supra Forums AU / HPI Magazine article:
http://www.supraforums.com.au/forum/...ad.php?t=29220
10-15-09, 02:30 PM
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original documentation of the NA supra:
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~soundfrk/C...5/20061125.htm
http://www.h5.dion.ne.jp/~soundfrk/C...5/20061125.htm
10-15-09, 07:19 PM
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It's cool, but like someone else above said that's just a bunch of off the shelf parts thrown together. With a high compresssion max-effort build (14:1) and some extensive port/valvetrain work, you should be able to get about 400-450hp out of a GE.. but the trade-off would be needing to rev to about 10.5-11k and surging/detonating at anything below what a stock 2jz redlines at. Basically, if everything in the setup is right (valve job, port efficiency, cam profiles, induction, etc) you can get around 2.3hp per cfm of head flow.
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