giving up sc, buying supra
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sc300 > supra... i never liked how the supra looked.. looks like a frog.. the engine is the only thing i cared about from that car, and now i have the best of both worlds you should join also!! ^_^ luxury + tt
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The thing with buying a non turbo Supra is that they still aren't cheap. $10k is a lot of money period.
If you take a non turbo and go na-t or GTE there's things that will need upgraded.
I won't talk to the automatics...and I wont estimate labor![EEK!](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/eek1.gif)
1.) If its a 5spd W58...it probably wont last unless you drive like grandma so it will need upgraded. $2k for a R154 with clutch...and if its a 95+ you will need a Soarer R154 or shifter extension which cost $350 everywhere...
Want V160 6spd? Add roughly $4-6k for trans,new clutch,driveshaft
2.) The rear end in the non turbo might have an LSD, but the gearing is going to suck on the highway after you turbo it..been there done that..you'll need the TT auto Supra 3.76 or 3.92 gears $500-1k for entire pumpkin or you could find the gearset you want and swap that in which would be cheaper.
3.) OVCP intake manifold and sparkplugs is just a *****...its one of the main reasons I went GTE..I can do GTE plugs in 10mins taking my time
4.) Brakes...the non turbo brakes aren't adequate..you'll need an upgrade $1k
5.) NA-T demands fuel ecu or piggybacks $300-2k for AEM
6.) NA-T demands tuning if you want it reliable $300-1000...a stock GTE ecu is reliable out of the box, but I do carry a spare cause they're cheap![Thumb Up](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
So you spend $10k on a non turbo then another $10k going na-t or GTE and upgrades...not including labor. Well you coulda bought a 6pd TT and the value of the car is still right there with you...almost.
7.) One important thing about an NA-T. You insurance company isn't going to pay out for all your mods or turbo kit on your non turbo supra..you'll fight for trade in value. If you have a turbo model to begin with you'll get more money and at 400hp you wont have to invest much to get there, so if you wreck it you wont be out lots of cash for the mods.
Some guy lost $90-100k on supraforums last year when the tuner wrecked his mkiv and he had over $100k invested and got the value of the car and lost his a$$
and his insurance probably skyrockted next cycle for the next 3-5yrs...and they were talking like the tuner should've had insurance to cover it but even if he did the insurance company woulda said F-you...you get book value or even worse..AUCTION black book value and then your ****ed.
SC300s aren't worth much cash value to banks like Supras tend to be. If you put $10k into an Sc300, then you wreck it..your screwed and will probably take a major hit to buy the car back and part it out or swap the parts over.
I also don't think taking a loan on to get a Supra is entirely a bad idea if you have another car to daily so the miles dont rack up too bad.. You just need to put down as much cash money as you can. You also don't want to buy a 150k mileage Supra for $15-25k and then have to do the control arms, turbos, clutch or ANYTHING else. That would SUCK...so you need to either find low mileage or one that has verifiable service records.
Good luck if you even read this post anyways...its long but it stuff to take into consideration
If you take a non turbo and go na-t or GTE there's things that will need upgraded.
I won't talk to the automatics...and I wont estimate labor
![EEK!](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/eek1.gif)
1.) If its a 5spd W58...it probably wont last unless you drive like grandma so it will need upgraded. $2k for a R154 with clutch...and if its a 95+ you will need a Soarer R154 or shifter extension which cost $350 everywhere...
Want V160 6spd? Add roughly $4-6k for trans,new clutch,driveshaft
2.) The rear end in the non turbo might have an LSD, but the gearing is going to suck on the highway after you turbo it..been there done that..you'll need the TT auto Supra 3.76 or 3.92 gears $500-1k for entire pumpkin or you could find the gearset you want and swap that in which would be cheaper.
3.) OVCP intake manifold and sparkplugs is just a *****...its one of the main reasons I went GTE..I can do GTE plugs in 10mins taking my time
4.) Brakes...the non turbo brakes aren't adequate..you'll need an upgrade $1k
5.) NA-T demands fuel ecu or piggybacks $300-2k for AEM
6.) NA-T demands tuning if you want it reliable $300-1000...a stock GTE ecu is reliable out of the box, but I do carry a spare cause they're cheap
![Thumb Up](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
So you spend $10k on a non turbo then another $10k going na-t or GTE and upgrades...not including labor. Well you coulda bought a 6pd TT and the value of the car is still right there with you...almost.
7.) One important thing about an NA-T. You insurance company isn't going to pay out for all your mods or turbo kit on your non turbo supra..you'll fight for trade in value. If you have a turbo model to begin with you'll get more money and at 400hp you wont have to invest much to get there, so if you wreck it you wont be out lots of cash for the mods.
Some guy lost $90-100k on supraforums last year when the tuner wrecked his mkiv and he had over $100k invested and got the value of the car and lost his a$$
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SC300s aren't worth much cash value to banks like Supras tend to be. If you put $10k into an Sc300, then you wreck it..your screwed and will probably take a major hit to buy the car back and part it out or swap the parts over.
I also don't think taking a loan on to get a Supra is entirely a bad idea if you have another car to daily so the miles dont rack up too bad.. You just need to put down as much cash money as you can. You also don't want to buy a 150k mileage Supra for $15-25k and then have to do the control arms, turbos, clutch or ANYTHING else. That would SUCK...so you need to either find low mileage or one that has verifiable service records.
Good luck if you even read this post anyways...its long but it stuff to take into consideration
good information!
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That happened to me. I wrecked my 2nd SC. It was a 1997 SC300 with 70k mi on it. T67 Na-T with all supporting mods., V160, LSD, $3000 HRE Wheels, Blah, blah, blah...
It had like $30k into it with paint & crap. I wrecked it like an A** hole. Insurance wanted to give me $9k for it. I was
with them for a few days. Finally we settled. I bought back the wreck for $1400. Swapped everything over to a lower mile 97 SC300.
Bottom line is if you put that much money into the car you wont have any other option than to buy it back and build it back up.
And make sure you spend money on parts you can swap out later or sell off. Forget mad cash paint jobs. Waste of $$$. Someone else always screws it up anyway.
It had like $30k into it with paint & crap. I wrecked it like an A** hole. Insurance wanted to give me $9k for it. I was
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Bottom line is if you put that much money into the car you wont have any other option than to buy it back and build it back up.
And make sure you spend money on parts you can swap out later or sell off. Forget mad cash paint jobs. Waste of $$$. Someone else always screws it up anyway.
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