Why put down the handling?
12-14-10, 08:40 PM
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Yes it does but to certain degree. You only dial in enough camber to account for the most bank or lateral g force your car would presumably encounter at a particular track. The reasoning is so the suspension geometry would effectively use the entire contact surface of the tire when rolling/weight shift through turns.
Excessive camber could probably be useful in Drifting, making it easier to break traction
12-14-10, 08:57 PM
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What? Poly is far superior to rubber as far as handling goes, and the only reason people swap to Supra components is because they're cheap. Rubber bushings and stock take offs from another car are hardly the be-all end-all of handling upgrades.
12-14-10, 09:29 PM
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12-15-10, 07:21 AM
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12-15-10, 08:52 AM
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I think we all agree that the bushings suck as far as handling terms. I visited my fabricator this morning, we pull off the rear wheel and looked at the how the control arm mounts and the bushings. He wants to wait to fabricate the new control arms until I get coils and lower the car. After we decide a close ride height to what we want, we will move the pickup points of the suspension and bring it "close" to factory geometry. while lowering a car and putting coil overs on it may improve handling, it also off-sets the suspension geometry that was engineered into the car. Lowering it and bringing it back to factory geometry will help aid in handling. I'm no engineer but I don't think I want to doubt the engineers that designed the car either.
12-15-10, 08:58 AM
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think your clever, that doesnt answer the question at all. I said "If there was a way to increase comfort and handling performance of the car without sacrificing anything.." of the car meaning SC300/SC400.
What you proposed is getting an entirely different chassy all together. Fail! try again.
What you proposed is getting an entirely different chassy all together. Fail! try again.
12-15-10, 09:02 AM
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M3 is a comfort car?? amazing handling, however interior and ride quaility suffer... *laugh*... CLK63 I have heard great things of but not for the $$$.. IS-F comfort and performance? *laugh*.. IS-F is harsh and it breaks loose with any form of real driving. IS-F Interior top notch!
12-15-10, 11:10 AM
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You might want to put a little more gas in if you end up gripping too much. I have tested mine numerous times and it is shocking to me, but if I have around a quarter tank or less and am really pushing lateral G's at corner exit I get fuel starvation. If I have more fuel I don't have the issue.
12-15-10, 02:17 PM
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This is a really stupid debate. Install some high perfomance tires, a 2-way lsd and some good coilovers and then tell me what you think of the SC's handling. Obviously there are other things that can be done to improve handling but those three are going to give you the best results.
You took my comment out of context. My point was that the technology is out there and availible. What a lot of luxury car makers are doing now and have been doing is adjustable suspension systems allowing you to go from soft and comfortable to stiff and sporty at the press of a button. Obviously those systems wont be able to give you the absolute best handling or the most supreme comfort but if thats what youre looking for then youre best off buying a Gumpert and a Mercedes C class (just an example)
(read the above)
I wasnt aware that we were debating interior styling and I beg to differ on your opion of the M3 and IS-f, but that topic should be discussed somewhere else.
think your clever, that doesnt answer the question at all. I said "If there was a way to increase comfort and handling performance of the car without sacrificing anything.." of the car meaning SC300/SC400.
What you proposed is getting an entirely different chassy all together. Fail! try again.
What you proposed is getting an entirely different chassy all together. Fail! try again.
M3 is a comfort car?? amazing handling, however interior and ride quaility suffer... *laugh*... CLK63 I have heard great things of but not for the $$$.. IS-F comfort and performance? *laugh*.. IS-F is harsh and it breaks loose with any form of real driving. IS-F Interior top notch!
I wasnt aware that we were debating interior styling and I beg to differ on your opion of the M3 and IS-f, but that topic should be discussed somewhere else.
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12-15-10, 06:05 PM
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As for the handling of the SC - I've always defended it. Read the original road tests, the stock handling was highly regarded in it's day. At the time, it was towards the sporty end of things. I think Toyota did quite well on the ride/handling compromise given the intended market, and we have all the options in the world out there if we want to go about improving on it.
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12-15-10, 06:53 PM
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Depends on what you want out of the car. In a street car, I'd prefer little to no NVH, especially in a Lexus. PA roads aren't too kind. The car is not a tin can 240sx or Honda, so I don't want it to ride like one. I'm not going to degrade the ride quality of a luxury car, or lube up my poly bushings every time they start squeaking. Also, most of the Japanese coilovers are junk. Yes, junk. I'd stick to Koni or Bilstein before running Tein/Ksport/Stance/ or whatever the current bandwagon suspension is.
12-15-10, 08:15 PM
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You might want to put a little more gas in if you end up gripping too much. I have tested mine numerous times and it is shocking to me, but if I have around a quarter tank or less and am really pushing lateral G's at corner exit I get fuel starvation. If I have more fuel I don't have the issue.
Got ya on that brotha! I'll test it out with 1/2 tank of premium. Thanks for the tip.