Camera Ticket
08-23-02, 11:58 PM
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Camera Ticket
Do you guys know what kind of spray to put on the license plate that give out light reflecting silver coating to protect you from camera ticket?
08-24-02, 03:02 PM
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Cali cameras are after your FRONT plate...
You could take it off or put a cover on it..
Either would do the trick..
The cover on the front is not an instant ticket issue.
You could take it off or put a cover on it..
Either would do the trick..
The cover on the front is not an instant ticket issue.
08-25-02, 06:30 AM
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No such thing as running a yellow light. If my front wheels have crossed the intersection line while the light is yellow, I have made a fully legal and legitimate move, even if it turns red the second after and I cruise through the intersection on someone else's green.
My advice, don't wear a front plate.
My advice, don't wear a front plate.
08-25-02, 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by lex400sc
No such thing as running a yellow light. If my front wheels have crossed the intersection line while the light is yellow, I have made a fully legal and legitimate move, even if it turns red the second after and I cruise through the intersection on someone else's green.
My advice, don't wear a front plate.
No such thing as running a yellow light. If my front wheels have crossed the intersection line while the light is yellow, I have made a fully legal and legitimate move, even if it turns red the second after and I cruise through the intersection on someone else's green.
My advice, don't wear a front plate.
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08-25-02, 04:51 PM
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Just to settle the confusion
21453. (a) A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall
stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering the
crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then
before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an
indication to proceed is shown, except as provided in subdivision
(b).
(b) Except when a sign is in place prohibiting a turn, a driver,
after stopping as required by subdivision (a), facing a steady
circular red signal, may turn right, or turn left from a one-way
street onto a one-way street. A driver making that turn shall yield
the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within an adjacent crosswalk
and to any vehicle that has approached or is approaching so closely
as to constitute an immediate hazard to the driver, and shall
continue to yield the right-of-way to that vehicle until the driver
can proceed with reasonable safety.
(c) A driver facing a steady red arrow signal shall not enter the
intersection to make the movement indicated by the arrow and, unless
entering the intersection to make a movement permitted by another
signal, shall stop at a clearly marked limit line, but if none,
before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection,
or if none, then before entering the intersection, and shall remain
stopped until an indication permitting movement is shown.
(d) Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian control signal as
provided in Section 21456, a pedestrian facing a steady circular red
or red arrow signal shall not enter the roadway.
That is the LAW
All you have to do is CROSS the FIRST crosswalk line on YOUR side of the street BEFORE the light turns red.... and it is legal.... unless of course you kill something...then all bets are off.. Safety FIRST
MW
21453. (a) A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall
stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering the
crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then
before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an
indication to proceed is shown, except as provided in subdivision
(b).
(b) Except when a sign is in place prohibiting a turn, a driver,
after stopping as required by subdivision (a), facing a steady
circular red signal, may turn right, or turn left from a one-way
street onto a one-way street. A driver making that turn shall yield
the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within an adjacent crosswalk
and to any vehicle that has approached or is approaching so closely
as to constitute an immediate hazard to the driver, and shall
continue to yield the right-of-way to that vehicle until the driver
can proceed with reasonable safety.
(c) A driver facing a steady red arrow signal shall not enter the
intersection to make the movement indicated by the arrow and, unless
entering the intersection to make a movement permitted by another
signal, shall stop at a clearly marked limit line, but if none,
before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection,
or if none, then before entering the intersection, and shall remain
stopped until an indication permitting movement is shown.
(d) Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian control signal as
provided in Section 21456, a pedestrian facing a steady circular red
or red arrow signal shall not enter the roadway.
That is the LAW
All you have to do is CROSS the FIRST crosswalk line on YOUR side of the street BEFORE the light turns red.... and it is legal.... unless of course you kill something...then all bets are off.. Safety FIRST
MW
08-25-02, 06:41 PM
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All of the cameras that I've seen only photograph the front of the vehicle...
I'm sure there are some systems out there that have extra cameras and sensors mounted to photograph the rear plate, but that adds considerably to the cost and complexity of the system, so the vendors in the LA area don't bother with them. Yes, that means they toss out the violators with no front plates but so what? They are tossing out another 20%-45% of the other violations because of various factors, such as a driver's face that is not clearly recognizable.
They only process the violations where there is little to no doubt of the guilt and identity of the driver, and in that same vein, they adjust the sensors so that they only start taking pics 0.2 seconds or so after the light goes red.
The scandal that is currently going on in San Diego was caused mostly by the city's agreement with the vendor, that paid the vendor based on the number of violators charged, not a flat rate like here in LA. In such circumstances, of course, the vendor cut corners and mailed out questionable citations that didn't hold up in court.
They only process the violations where there is little to no doubt of the guilt and identity of the driver, and in that same vein, they adjust the sensors so that they only start taking pics 0.2 seconds or so after the light goes red.
The scandal that is currently going on in San Diego was caused mostly by the city's agreement with the vendor, that paid the vendor based on the number of violators charged, not a flat rate like here in LA. In such circumstances, of course, the vendor cut corners and mailed out questionable citations that didn't hold up in court.
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08-25-02, 09:06 PM
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Man you people in cali got it bad. Here in florida theres no law for front plates I've yet to see a photo enforced traffic light and the only tickets I've gotten are from one accident and one for speeding. The speeding one was from FL highway patrol. Even since the speeding ticket I've gotten close to getting a couple other speeding tickets but never anything close to a photo enforced ticket. You guys should move here.
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08-28-02, 12:10 AM
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Cali cameras are after your FRONT plate...
My advice, don't wear a front plate.
My advice, don't wear a front plate.
The ticket comes with at least 1/2 dozen assorted shots.
I'm sure there are some systems out there that have extra cameras and sensors mounted to photograph the rear plate, but that adds considerably to the cost and complexity of the system, so the vendors in the LA area don't bother with them.
And yes, the cameras are designed to take pictures from all angles. You'd be amazed of the enhancement these cameras are capable. Before they send you the pictures that name you, they remove all other traffic from the intersection and enhance your face and your license plate. This is done from different angles, mind you. So never mind the no front plate thing. If they want to, they'll just tack that violation onto your citation.
As of Jan 1, 2001, the judge can fine you up to $276 dollars for fix-it tickets, and he reserves the right to put a point on your DMV record for repeat offenders.
The cameras are triggered on the "entrance" side to the intersection. That is, there are metal-detectors (in the concrete) placed just inside of the limit line (cross-walk, etc) entering INTO the intersection. That way, the state doesn't have to process legal vehicles leaving the intersection once the light turns red. ONLY cars entering the intersection on the red light will be captured.
If the light turns red, the triggers are armed. Any cars entering into the intersection trigger the cameras. At most intersections, the trigger sets off all the cameras (not just one), thus capturing your violation from all angles.
If I spray 4 or 5 layer of clear coats on the plate. Will it work?
08-28-02, 12:19 AM
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Hmm...
I was wrong then... I assumed that the Sacramento cameras were like the rest of the state.
In Sac, for 1...they only take a front plate pic, (2) they have a motion sensor on a pole mounted in the center divide of the intersection (no metal detector), and lastly they are NOT giving tickets out in Sac County anymore.
They had to stop issuing tickets because the company they contracted with is incentivized to issue more tickets and alter the cameras to snap photos faster than the .2 legal limit. Also, they cannot figure out the camera settings to get them at .2 and test that.
MW
I was wrong then... I assumed that the Sacramento cameras were like the rest of the state.
In Sac, for 1...they only take a front plate pic, (2) they have a motion sensor on a pole mounted in the center divide of the intersection (no metal detector), and lastly they are NOT giving tickets out in Sac County anymore.
They had to stop issuing tickets because the company they contracted with is incentivized to issue more tickets and alter the cameras to snap photos faster than the .2 legal limit. Also, they cannot figure out the camera settings to get them at .2 and test that.
MW