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Old 03-19-11, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MidloSC
Where did you pick up an R154 for $350.00 rebuilt?
Someone local selling it.
Old 03-19-11, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by iwannadie
Someone local selling it.
Then you got lucky. The cheapest Ive seen them are around $800.00 used. The W58's Ive priced for around $600.00. And those prices are without the 1jz/2jz bell housings.
Old 03-19-11, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by iwannadie
I didn't think w58s were worth a lot. I got an r154 for my supra for 350 with a fresh rebuild. I've seen w58s for way cheaper and they are pretty common I thought.
They're really not worth a lot, but they're getting harder to find (at least the SC300/MKIV version). Hence I would jump on it.


Originally Posted by MidloSC
Then you got lucky. The cheapest Ive seen them are around $800.00 used. The W58's Ive priced for around $600.00. And those prices are without the 1jz/2jz bell housings.
You can find them in the ~$400 range, but you've got to be really patient.

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Old 03-19-11, 05:39 PM
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Stock for stock, the W58 is actually more delicate than the automatic in the SCs... in the 400, anyway. I don't know if the 300 used a different auto transmission. But the auto in the 400 can take about 400 hp... the W58 can only take, from what I've read anyway, 350.
Old 03-19-11, 05:55 PM
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There is nothing wrong with automatics generally speaking. Modern automatics are a pleasure to drive in every sense of the word. They are very fuel efficient, quick to respond to throttle, and are a lifesaver for people who daily drive their car. The problem with the SC300 automatic transmission is that it is only a 4 speed, SUPER lazy, meaning it pretty much never responds the way you need it to and there is always delay present, and thirdly, it's horrible on gas.

Take it from a guy that swapped to a 5 speed... once you do the swap, you will think you are driving a completely different car. First, the gas mileage is noticeably better, the car feels super responsive, and is overall much more involving and more fun to drive. Sound like you found a hell of a deal if you got a complete package for the swap for under $300. That's pretty insane and unheard of. DO IT!
Old 03-19-11, 06:37 PM
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Personally, in my sc4, I would rather have a manual than boost. And if its for a jz bellhousing, its really soggy the price, regardless of whether or not its a complete swap. Wish I could find a deal like that around here...
Old 03-19-11, 07:54 PM
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I plan to do some mods to my valvebody and a pi tq converter which will wake the auto up tons

Automagic for the win!
Old 03-19-11, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by xspsi6
I plan to do some mods to my valvebody and a pi tq converter which will wake the auto up tons

Automagic for the win!
What can you do to the valve body to enhance performance?
EDIT: I still say go 5 speed, just way more fun to drive.
(And sorry we got off your topic!)
Old 03-20-11, 12:26 AM
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Automatic!
Old 03-20-11, 06:42 AM
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Can someone tell me why Lexus decided NOT on puttin the manual in the SC300 after the vvt-i came into the program? Does the engine create problems with the manual or did Lexus not want the 300 to be competitive to the 400 in performance 97-00? Notice that after the engine upgrades that they didn't really move up the HP in the 300 at all but the 400's numbers kept rising....
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Most likely because of the tq that the vvti makes which would make the glassmission that came in them very unreliable over the period of warranty years.
Old 03-21-11, 11:27 AM
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Glad this topic came up...

And I'm already trying to put together a decent part list for building a automatic transmission to possible handle roughly around 400hp. I understand the auto tranny can handle about 350ish...but outside of a transmission cooler, what other mods can actually help extend the life and power of the transmission.

Just simply curious.
Old 03-21-11, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TexasSC300
Can someone tell me why Lexus decided NOT on puttin the manual in the SC300 after the vvt-i came into the program? Does the engine create problems with the manual or did Lexus not want the 300 to be competitive to the 400 in performance 97-00? Notice that after the engine upgrades that they didn't really move up the HP in the 300 at all but the 400's numbers kept rising....
the pretty much redesigned the v8 as opposed to the I6.... plus the cars not about performance....
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Autotragic :/
Old 03-21-11, 12:10 PM
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Someone in here said you'll have less problems with a auto because you won't miss
Shift or downshift at the wrong time.

Solution to that, learn to drive a manual transmission car.


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