How much does YOUR sc weight?
#16
^^ This exactly. This car was engineered for a different era when gasoline was cheaper and the luxury competition was in the same weight class. Luxury muscle these things can be but lightweight cars they are not.
To be fair on the fuel economy front, since we were never graced with the 1JZ VVT-i on these shores we never got to see the still acceptable fuel economy numbers that engine could produce (stock) due to great low down torque. Less revving to get up to speed means less fuel used unless you're accelerating flat out.
Today the weight of a 4-Series, CTS Coupe, Infiniti G37/G60, Mercedes C-Class coupe, Volvo coupe, etc. are all relatively the same or heavier. Heck, even Camaros and Mustangs are the same weight or heavier than most SC's but as hatchy stated above, the drivetrains have far more modern R&D to achieve better fuel economy than a 2JZ-GE can. The 2JZ's (all) and 1JZ's are discontinued performance engine designs and what they excel at is reliability and horsepower. They weren't designed to eke out 30mpg but the 1JZ VVT-i and especially the direct injected 1JZ-FSE came close.
And if you factor lightweight toss ability into the equation, the answer is the NA Supra MKIV which came down to 3200lbs stock for some years and can be brought down to about 3,000lbs. Same chassis and assembly line but with a different intended use.
To be fair on the fuel economy front, since we were never graced with the 1JZ VVT-i on these shores we never got to see the still acceptable fuel economy numbers that engine could produce (stock) due to great low down torque. Less revving to get up to speed means less fuel used unless you're accelerating flat out.
Today the weight of a 4-Series, CTS Coupe, Infiniti G37/G60, Mercedes C-Class coupe, Volvo coupe, etc. are all relatively the same or heavier. Heck, even Camaros and Mustangs are the same weight or heavier than most SC's but as hatchy stated above, the drivetrains have far more modern R&D to achieve better fuel economy than a 2JZ-GE can. The 2JZ's (all) and 1JZ's are discontinued performance engine designs and what they excel at is reliability and horsepower. They weren't designed to eke out 30mpg but the 1JZ VVT-i and especially the direct injected 1JZ-FSE came close.
And if you factor lightweight toss ability into the equation, the answer is the NA Supra MKIV which came down to 3200lbs stock for some years and can be brought down to about 3,000lbs. Same chassis and assembly line but with a different intended use.
#17
This has always be a curiosity for me. Why gut your interior or remove window motors or ac systems? If you're making a track car you go all the way and you can cut a LOT of weight, but as a street car what's the point? I know for some it's a "fuel economy" but if you want fuel economy you bought the wrong car for that. I'm not raging on anybody for what they do to their car some peoples taste differ to others and have owned/seen cars with gutted interior that look fantastic. Something else for people to look at is the modern cars of today. You look at cars in the same class as the SC like BMW, Audi, or Mercedes they weight more then the SCs and are still faster/better fuel economy because of modern technology, if you really want to compete with them in either speed or fuel economy buy a modern motor for your car.
And, to be fair, this car -is- supposed to be a major-time track car. It's not my fault we haven't had a drift event since October!
#19
dude I drive a 1jz vvti daily in a lighter chassis with 3,90s, 3'' straight pipe and custom intake, you have to drive extremely aware of what will put you into boost, and be on the freeway to achieve upper 20s. Like you really have to go out of your way to get it there because the thing will run 5 psi if you sneeze. And going into boost instantly dumps the fuel, so...
#20
^^ Well that's good to know. I love the 1JZ VVT-i's. I thought they were capable of around 26mpg highway @ 70mph at least :/
3.916:1 is going to be my ideal ratio when I get my 2JZGTE w/twins finished. I still have my 3.769:1 ring and pinion but I doubt it will make much difference in fuel economy between the two.
Performance engines (GE/GTE designation) vs fuel economy engines (FE designation) I guess...
3.916:1 is going to be my ideal ratio when I get my 2JZGTE w/twins finished. I still have my 3.769:1 ring and pinion but I doubt it will make much difference in fuel economy between the two.
Performance engines (GE/GTE designation) vs fuel economy engines (FE designation) I guess...
#22
I get 26 m.p.g. on a stock sc400 and, if it ever gets warmer, the mileage should go up, Up, UP !! I'm an old phardt and I suppose I drive like one - lol - but I do put my boot in it occasionally. Just to hear the music from the duals .) I'll share one of my "secrets" - it's called Greased Lightning Teflon Treatment. Buy it at O'Riley's for < $7 a can. Put it in with your fresh oil. Don't over-do it - once every 6 months (12,000 miles) is all you need. Use too often and it might cause your motor to begin to use oil (clogs up the oil rings). Air filter, egr and pcv valves are important, as well. Some sea foam once a year sure doesn't hurt anything. After sea foam change the fuel filter and, on these cars, that is a DANGEROUS operation. The fuel pours out while you change it. Next time I'm gonna look for a rubber hose between the tank and the filter I can shut off with vice grips.
Next time you change that filter - relieve the pressure first by taking out the pump fuse and starting the car for a few seconds. Had an S14 that needed a fuel filter almost every oil change, had that down to a reflex.
#23
I drive on the highway between 70-80mph when cruising. I get about 20-21mpg on my NA/R154/4.272/LSD setup between those speeds as long as the cruise truly is constant. 70mph equates to 3,000rpm for me, verified by a GPS. I still got about 20mpg with the car loaded up like a sardine can once. I don't think the curb weight matters so much when you're cruising.
#27
I ran my SC400 1992 UZZ30 over a weigh bridge at a paint factory 1650Kg .. use Google chrome to convert.. type in 1650kg = and it will give you the result. I'll leave it at Kg so you can practice!
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