Tabaka

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Virginia is a state that accepts the 25 year old rule. Unfortunately I own a '95 so I have a few years left. However, Virginia is no where near as strict as California, and we have rural counties that don't require emissions testing.

DrAtomica

That's what I was thinking about once my SC becomes 25 years old, I have a long way to go.. 1998 here

FSUsucks1

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How long have you been a cop?

I've been one for 14 years now with LAPD.

Also, what is making it even more difficult in California to truly modify cars is that CHP is setting up random car inspection check points where they automatically send your car to a state referee if they feel it has been modified. Good luck passing that inspection!

1997Soarer

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This doesn't work anymore. The state knew people were doing this so as of right now it is illegal to register to a PO Box. I've heard that they still allow this for college students, but they demand current proof of college enrollment. And the address has to be your college address.

As of now the only way to get out of OBD2 emissions in illinois is to apply for a racecar exemption, or register the car at an address outside of the Chicagoland emissions zone (50+ miles outside of chicago city limits).

Fun fact: A very large number of OBD2 Supras in Chicagoland are registered to a single farmhouse near Dekalb LOL

KahnBB6

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Awesome, Gerry! Glad you're getting closer to exemption out there with your cars. I knew most of GA has emissions inspection but it's good to hear there is leniency for you once they all hit 25 years.

Smog exemption in CA being locked at 1975 isn't a fun subject. I've personally already gone through my Elizabeth Kubler-Ross phases with this. It's depressing but it is what it is. Technically in CA all it means is that you aren't required to have the car smog tested while you're supposed to keep any stock or CARB approved emissions parts on your 1975 or older car. But no one bothers the exempt cars.

Although this apparently happened today. I was totally unaware of it and wish I'd heard about it sooner. I'd have contacted a representative or two. I'd love to hear that the exemption was extended to 1981. The last time I saw a video of an ARB session on a similar bill it was unanimously rejected and the classic car representatives who spoke were all but ignored.

http://www.semasan.com/page.asp?cont...16CA2&g=SEMAGA

http://www.semasan.com/page.asp?cont...16CA4&g=SEMAGA


FSU, I didn't know you were in law enforcement. Thanks for being out there and serving

I've heard of these check points. I think I've seen one near my area once and from the few youtube videos people put up showing them it does seem to be CHP helping the ARB folks manage these "voluntary" tests which you can supposedly refuse with a reason such as needing to get to work. Though I do wonder about that. If you politely refuse citing you have work appointments or something similar... do they just serve you a Referee inspection ticket anyway?

Those checkpoints affect poor folks as much as people with modified cars. Another reason I've decided to stay 100% engine legal and nearly visually stock with my SC.

I hope you don't get harassed with your MKIV, FSU. I've read some ridiculous stories from Lancer Evolution owners having to contest accusations of modifications that were actually related to the factory stock appearance and hardware.

To say nothing of actually modifying one's car in an obvious way.

CatManD3W

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92 SC300....Mine will 25 yrs old soon.....Cant wait to register SC for antique vehicle

FSUsucks1

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Thank you Kahn.

Basically any law enforcement officer in California can send you to the State Referee if they feel your car has had its emission system(s) altered in any way.

All they need to is just suspect that it has been altered and they can send you to a referee.

The California Vehicle Code book is like a huge bible. You can find something that gives you probable cause to stop someone. It's crazy how much stuff is inside the vehicle code book.

I've been pulled over many many times but I just identify myself when I do and then they just walk away and say have a safe day.

I never targeted modded cars when I was working the streets but if I saw someone racing or doing something else that wasn't safe I stopped them and hammered them.

If people want to race they need to go to a race track! They should not be racing on the regular streets where they can hurt someone else.

gerrb

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Thanks for your services FSUsucks1 and SEIDO . This country is great because of the services of good people like you.

The PO Box scheme to register a vehicle here in GA is still being used by some. It is allowed here in some counties. There are 159 counties in GA and only the 13 Metro Counties surrounding Atlanta are required to have emissions tests for vehicles that are below 25 years old. We don't even have safety inspections. Your car can be falling apart but as long as it passes emissions , you can run it...lol.

Msaucier

If you are able, I would go with a classic tag, Its inspection exempt and there aren't as many stipulations with it. meaning an antiques in TX can only be driven so many miles a year but a classic can be driven everyday without having to worry about miles.

Ramblerman

Antique in Pa. has a lot of driving restrictions,.but doesn't require a safety or emissions inspection. Best bet in Pa. if you want to drive your car more regularly would be to go classic plate, it still has to be safety inspected, but no emissions and you don't have to get registration every year, and insurance is alot less.

KahnBB6

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FSUsucks1, an officer friend back in Florida told me a couple of stories like that from when he had a Porsche (996). It's similar to what you say. And he expected at least some attention, owning a 911.

I figured it was something like that (the CA VC book). And I'm sure there have been many reasons why it eventually got as thick as it currently is, as controversial a topic as emissions can be for us when it comes to drivetrain modification.

Personally I think it's when the required working emission parts become hard to obtain that it becomes the most difficult. Or when a nearly identical part does the same thing as the OEM part or does it more efficiently in regards to emissions (or which does not measurably affect emissions from stock at all) and still isn't considered legal. That aftermarket part approval process is very, very expensive.

Not trying to bring all that up for debate. It is what it is.

You've got no argument from me on the subject of street racing though. It is for tracks and I do not engage in that or condone it. I've seen some people do some very stupid things in the past and the shock never left me. I like driving fun cars and modifying them just as we all do... but that kind of stupidity doesn't get sympathy from me. Nor does drunk driving or phone texting while driving :/

^^ Yes. And SEIDO too?

I know there are definitely instances where you can get ticketed for malfunctioning or non-operable safety equipment out here but there really doesn't seem to be a comprehensive safety inspection in CA either unless you're registering at the DMV or are having a BAR inspection (which for most people with most common types of cars is rare to never). It's almost entirely about emissions... unless your car is so obviously out of code that an officer will flag you for whatever caught their attention. At least that's what I've observed (FSU...?)

Big contrast to Florida though. Zero emissions. Zero safety inspections. There, "Antique" plates require the vehicle to be at least thirty years old though, not 25. My first car got its antique plates for the last couple of years I owned it. I even got it with the model year in the middle

eknine9

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Why do cops leave you alone when they pull you over? Do you think that's fair or just for the law to only be enforced against those who are not part of the law enforcement class?

Sweatshop

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MD is historic after 25 years-which mine is. No emissions needed. State inspection only needed when ownership changes hands. People still ask how I can get historic tags on such a young car. I just tell them looks for a passenger-side airbag!!!!

Sactolex

Question for you CA folks in the know:

#1 is it legal to put a 99+ SC400 engine and transmission in a 92 SC400
#2 Is this possible? Would OBDI/2 differences cause a problem?
#3 Would this pass smog?

This is a hypothetical "engine blows", may as well upgrade while I'm here scenario.

Ali SC3

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sort of off topic Sactolex but #1 you can put a newer engine in so yes that is legal after you get it bar'd, emphasis on after getting bar'd (meaning a referree will look at every single detail to ensure you made the car exactly like a 99+ emissions and obd2 functionality wise). #2 yes it is possible but you would be required to have obd2 working, with a bit of wiring you can wire up an obd2 port to an obd1 SC and have it all work. it is possible but I wouldn't say it is easy not many people do it. #3 if it is legally bar'd then yes, it would have to pass the test for a 99.

Its basically like doing a whole swap engine + ecu + wiring, and I am not sure if the body plugs will be the same so if not then you have to wire those into the cars body plugs (similar as doing a 2jzgte swap cause they have different body plugs etc..). For the obd2 port, there is a pre obd port there with wires you need, and you run 1 or 2 additional wires from the ecu to that spot and install a new obd2 connector, and presto you have obd2 in and working. there may be some differences on the engine in regards to the throttle body I can't remember if they have a cable or not but expect small stuff like that to iron out also, but still if you have a whole 99 donor car it is very possible.