2006 SC 430 Info
03-16-05, 05:07 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by rominl
that's very interesting. i am not sure about the sales of the is3 in 04, i heard it's down a bit?
in any case, from what i noticed, sc430 never stays, they constantly sell and usually you at 2 or 3 waiting at the dealership.
i know that recently they have reduced the number of sc coming in though, due to the coming of new gs
in any case, from what i noticed, sc430 never stays, they constantly sell and usually you at 2 or 3 waiting at the dealership.
i know that recently they have reduced the number of sc coming in though, due to the coming of new gs
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03-16-05, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AmethySC
Of those 19,680, the SC430 accounts for about 9,000 to 10,000 sales, i.e. about half, from what I've been reading from the Lexus sales report almost every month. That's not bad for this car since it's not been upgraded at all since 2001. I think they sold ~14,000 in USA the first year.
03-16-05, 09:37 PM
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I thought it was Lexus's plan to only sell 12,000 in the first year, but then lower to 10,000 the years after?? I remember reading that way back when. If thats the case, then they are right on target.
03-17-05, 06:32 AM
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A day or two ago I was talking to a salesman while waiting for some service to be done, and he mentioned that this year's production will be about 8,000 (I think), down 2,000 from last year. This will keep up the price and prevent an oversupply.
Right now, the car stays on the dealer's lot fewer days than almost any other car in production. My dealer says he usually has only 2 or 3 on the lot at any one time, and fewer than that in the spring/summer. General Motors just shut down plants because dealers had a 180 day inventory on their lots right now.
He also mentioned that I could sell my 4 year old SC430 for about $4,000.00 less than what I paid for it 4 years ago. That seems like the same thing as leasing the car for $1,000.00/yr ($83.00/month). No wonder Lexus tries to push buyers into leasing instead.
With purchasers buying the full production, there would seem to be no need to alter the car much. The SC400 had a life of more than 10 years, may it rest in peace, and it's still one of the best looking prodcution cars ever made.
I would guess that any changes at this 4-5 year point would be minor.
Right now, the car stays on the dealer's lot fewer days than almost any other car in production. My dealer says he usually has only 2 or 3 on the lot at any one time, and fewer than that in the spring/summer. General Motors just shut down plants because dealers had a 180 day inventory on their lots right now.
He also mentioned that I could sell my 4 year old SC430 for about $4,000.00 less than what I paid for it 4 years ago. That seems like the same thing as leasing the car for $1,000.00/yr ($83.00/month). No wonder Lexus tries to push buyers into leasing instead.
With purchasers buying the full production, there would seem to be no need to alter the car much. The SC400 had a life of more than 10 years, may it rest in peace, and it's still one of the best looking prodcution cars ever made.
I would guess that any changes at this 4-5 year point would be minor.
03-17-05, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tfischer
A day or two ago I was talking to a salesman while waiting for some service to be done, and he mentioned that this year's production will be about 8,000 (I think), down 2,000 from last year. This will keep up the price and prevent an oversupply.
Right now, the car stays on the dealer's lot fewer days than almost any other car in production. My dealer says he usually has only 2 or 3 on the lot at any one time, and fewer than that in the spring/summer. General Motors just shut down plants because dealers had a 180 day inventory on their lots right now.
He also mentioned that I could sell my 4 year old SC430 for about $4,000.00 less than what I paid for it 4 years ago. That seems like the same thing as leasing the car for $1,000.00/yr ($83.00/month). No wonder Lexus tries to push buyers into leasing instead.
With purchasers buying the full production, there would seem to be no need to alter the car much. The SC400 had a life of more than 10 years, may it rest in peace, and it's still one of the best looking prodcution cars ever made.
I would guess that any changes at this 4-5 year point would be minor.
Right now, the car stays on the dealer's lot fewer days than almost any other car in production. My dealer says he usually has only 2 or 3 on the lot at any one time, and fewer than that in the spring/summer. General Motors just shut down plants because dealers had a 180 day inventory on their lots right now.
He also mentioned that I could sell my 4 year old SC430 for about $4,000.00 less than what I paid for it 4 years ago. That seems like the same thing as leasing the car for $1,000.00/yr ($83.00/month). No wonder Lexus tries to push buyers into leasing instead.
With purchasers buying the full production, there would seem to be no need to alter the car much. The SC400 had a life of more than 10 years, may it rest in peace, and it's still one of the best looking prodcution cars ever made.
I would guess that any changes at this 4-5 year point would be minor.
anyway, yes, they will have to lower the number of sc430 for this yr, to keep up the cost and also they need to allocate spots for the new gs, the rx400h, and also the upcoming new IS
03-17-05, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tfischer
He also mentioned that I could sell my 4 year old SC430 for about $4,000.00 less than what I paid for it 4 years ago. That seems like the same thing as leasing the car for $1,000.00/yr ($83.00/month). No wonder Lexus tries to push buyers into leasing instead.
Kelly Bluebook on 2002 SC430 loaded (i.e. Nav and Spoiler) with just 1000 miles (not 10k) and in EXCELLENT condition is:
Trade In = $39K
Private Party sell = $44K
Retail = $49K
That is WAY more than $4K difference from what I paid for my 2002!
03-17-05, 11:32 AM
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I thought his comment was a little high, but the context was just idle chit chat with a salesman while I waited for service. Also, this is what he suggested off the top of his head that I could get for it if I sold it retail to another buyer. This is not what they would give me on a trade in, nor did he go to the books to look anything up.
If retail is 49, and I paid about 59 new 4 years ago, that's about $2,500/year, which is still a pretty low annual cost of ownership (although there are other costs of ownership besides depreciation, including the lost opportunity costs of paying cash).
I take it all to be a general statement that the car is holding its value better than most, which is fine with me, and certainly is in keeping with the grand (but short) tradition of Lexus automobiles.
If retail is 49, and I paid about 59 new 4 years ago, that's about $2,500/year, which is still a pretty low annual cost of ownership (although there are other costs of ownership besides depreciation, including the lost opportunity costs of paying cash).
I take it all to be a general statement that the car is holding its value better than most, which is fine with me, and certainly is in keeping with the grand (but short) tradition of Lexus automobiles.
03-17-05, 01:24 PM
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Yes, it does hold value better than an LS, but mostly that's due to the fact that anyone can drive an LS, even your grandfather, but you have to have a certain panache, a certain joi de vivre, a certain je n'sais quoi pas to drive an SC.
I believe that.
I believe that.
03-17-05, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tfischer
I thought his comment was a little high, but the context was just idle chit chat with a salesman while I waited for service. Also, this is what he suggested off the top of his head that I could get for it if I sold it retail to another buyer. This is not what they would give me on a trade in, nor did he go to the books to look anything up.
If retail is 49, and I paid about 59 new 4 years ago, that's about $2,500/year, which is still a pretty low annual cost of ownership (although there are other costs of ownership besides depreciation, including the lost opportunity costs of paying cash).
I take it all to be a general statement that the car is holding its value better than most, which is fine with me, and certainly is in keeping with the grand (but short) tradition of Lexus automobiles.
If retail is 49, and I paid about 59 new 4 years ago, that's about $2,500/year, which is still a pretty low annual cost of ownership (although there are other costs of ownership besides depreciation, including the lost opportunity costs of paying cash).
I take it all to be a general statement that the car is holding its value better than most, which is fine with me, and certainly is in keeping with the grand (but short) tradition of Lexus automobiles.
$38K trade-in
$39K private party
$42K dealer retail
The difference between the trade-in and dealer retail is the amount of cleanup/servicing that the dealer puts into the car, plus the dealer's user car profit.
So, given that I paid about $63K for my SC430 (plus tax and other fees) and it's only worth $39K now, I spent $24K for four years of use (about $4K per year, or $333 per month) which isn't too bad for a luxury car.
03-17-05, 02:21 PM
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Those numbers seem a little low to me, but remember that blue book numbers are averages. I just received a printed flyer from my dealer containing an ad (with color photo) showing that there is now a red 2002 with "just 27K miles" for sale on the lot for $48,995. This is a lot more than the $42,000 dealer retail number that Edmonds lists.
Far be it from me to generalize from insufficient data, but I would think that $39,000 for a 4 year old Lexus convertible is below the usual price. I think you would get more for it than that if you put in on the market now.
Far be it from me to generalize from insufficient data, but I would think that $39,000 for a 4 year old Lexus convertible is below the usual price. I think you would get more for it than that if you put in on the market now.
03-17-05, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tfischer
Those numbers seem a little low to me, but remember that blue book numbers are averages. I just received a printed flyer from my dealer containing an ad (with color photo) showing that there is now a red 2002 with "just 27K miles" for sale on the lot for $48,995. This is a lot more than the $42,000 dealer retail number that Edmonds lists.
Far be it from me to generalize from insufficient data, but I would think that $39,000 for a 4 year old Lexus convertible is below the usual price. I think you would get more for it than that if you put in on the market now.
Far be it from me to generalize from insufficient data, but I would think that $39,000 for a 4 year old Lexus convertible is below the usual price. I think you would get more for it than that if you put in on the market now.
The numbers that Edmunds publishes are based on actual transaction prices (and yes, they are averages, too).
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Originally Posted by tfischer
Yes, it does hold value better than an LS, but mostly that's due to the fact that anyone can drive an LS, even your grandfather, but you have to have a certain panache, a certain joi de vivre, a certain je n'sais quoi pas to drive an SC.
I believe that.
I believe that.
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03-17-05, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tfischer
Yes, it does hold value better than an LS, but mostly that's due to the fact that anyone can drive an LS, even your grandfather, but you have to have a certain panache, a certain joi de vivre, a certain je n'sais quoi pas to drive an SC.
I believe that.
I believe that.
but i have to agree. you drive the ls430 UL no one will turn heads. you drive the sc430 and people will turn around and look at you